Appeals Court Will Not Reinstate Trump’s Revised Travel Ban

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  1. ibookg409 Suspended

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    Had GB had this policy in place they could have avoided the most recent attack in Manchester. We need to wake up people.
     
  2. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    You know the bomber was born in the UK right?
     
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    Yes. But he was traveling to and from troubled areas. Red flags would have been raised, potentially.
     
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    As the "ban" does not include U.S. citizens, a person of Libyan descent would still have passed through U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

    CBP and Homeland Security Investigations, along with the FBI, may "flag" a person for additional scrutiny, but the U.S. cannot deny entry to a U.S. citizen.

    Thus, if the U.K. had a similar policy, the bomber would still have been able to return from Libya.

    This situation merely highlights why the "ban" is nothing but security theater.
     
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    Anyone coming from these countries, citizen or not, should be subject to greater scrutiny.
     
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    This has nothing to do with the ban, as it is written today.
     
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    Authorities may have already had reasons to suspect Salman Abedi.

     
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    Let's amend it and give it teeth.
     
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    also no one was armed both things were the problem according to one crazy American sheriff.
     
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    Yet they did nothing. Looking at the travel plans of this animal may have given someone the guys needed to do something, instead of remaining silent due to fears of being labeled this or that.
     
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    Let's amend it and make it constitutional first.
     
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    The "ban" doesn't add scrutiny, instead, it means that non-citizens cannot travel from these countries and refugees are also denied entry.

    Trump's policy fails to meet an objective test of usefulness because it focuses CBP/HSI/FBI on country-of-orgin rather than the frankly obvious patterns of Abedi.

    As The Guardian noted, key aspects of Abedi's life "are familiar from the profiles of previous terrorists."
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    Right. The problem is manifold. Authorities have to delve through hundreds of leads to target a potential terrorist and the wealth of information has made it increasingly difficult for officials to find the wheat among the chaff.

    However, the Trump administration's ban doesn't help this. It doesn't give officials more analysts or investigators. And, it doesn't hold back citizens who might want to harm their own country.

    But, it does damage our relationship with the Muslim world, with our own Muslim people, and it is unconstitutional.

    Forget the ban. It's theater. We need to train and hire more investigators and work with immigrant communities to find the worst people. Squeezing the Muslim community by treating it as alien and dangerous will only radicalize more young men and women.
     
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    I agree, I was just humoring our little special buddy @ibookg409
     
  14. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Well he certainly never admitted that his first reply was irrelevant.
     
  15. oneMadRssn macrumors 68040

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    What was that about speculation?

     
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    Do I need to?
     
  17. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    No. You don't need to. I would have been impressed if you had. Not that you live to impress me (anymore ;) )
     
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    I'm a pretty impressive specimen.
     
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    Well a police officer was among the dead, maybe she could have at least made another attempt instead of listening to the losers cry of loving the snackbar before the boom.
     
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    The UK does not prevent UK citizens ( which this person was ) from entering the country.. so a travel ban would have made Zero difference.

    Red Flags could have been raised without a travel ban based upon the destination had he travelled directly ( not via another country ).
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    NRA's response would have been 'more guns'....!

    What would have armed police have done - he was a suicide bomber - he was dead -> task done.

    Apparently there was no security into the venue... so its not guns that would have helped, but more security / screening at the door.
     
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    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/tex...his-is-what-happens-when-you-disarm-citizens/
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    Hard to believe that with your keen after-the-fact insight you haven't been tapped for a national security role.
     
  24. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    So now speculation is okay with you?

    You seem to pick and choose when it's appropriate.

    And, that appropriateness seems to match your political bias.

    How odd.
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    Noticed that myself.

    Suddenly speculation is all the rage. :rolleyes:
     

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