Apple Accuses DOJ of Wanting Amazon to Have 'Significant Competitive Advantage'

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple today responded (via GigaOM) to the Department of Justice's revised proposal accusing Apple of implementing in-app purchase rules to spite Amazon, stating that the DOJ is simply "seeking a remedy that would give Amazon a significant competitive advantage over Apple."
    First filed last Friday, the DOJ's revised punishment for Apple's guilty collusion verdict suggested Apple had initiated its in-app purchasing rules in order to "retaliate against Amazon for competitive conduct that Apple disapproved of" and to "make it more difficult for consumers using Apple devices to compare ebook prices among different retailers."

    In the proposal, the DOJ aimed to provide support for its argument that Apple should be forced to allow e-book retailers like Amazon and Barnes & Noble to place links to their respective bookstores within their App Store apps. Apple is opposed to the idea, as it would give Amazon a way to sell books within its App Store apps while avoiding paying Apple a 30% cut of the proceeds.

    The DOJ also argued that Apple should be subjected to third party monitoring to prevent future collusion and should have staggered renegotiations with book publishers. Apple conceded to this last point, but continues to fight both the monitor and the suggestion that Amazon and other e-book retailers should be allowed links in their App Store apps.

    Apple and the DOJ will meet with Judge Cote to further discuss the proposal on Tuesday. In addition to the DOJ's proposed punishment, Apple could also be forced to pay up to $500 million in damages.

    Article Link: Apple Accuses DOJ of Wanting Amazon to Have 'Significant Competitive Advantage'
  2. komodrone macrumors 6502

    Apr 26, 2011
    Man Amazon, what a douche...
    *buys cat food on Amazon with free two-day shipping*
  3. chriscrk, Aug 26, 2013
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    chriscrk macrumors 6502a


    Nov 14, 2011
    Planet Earth (?)
  4. CTinCT macrumors newbie

    Nov 3, 2008
    What did Apple expect?

    Of course the DOJ wants Amazon to prevail.

    Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post not to make money. As a financial investment it's a terrible one.

    As a political investment it's a brilliant one.

    Eric Holder and his boss, the President, are buying good coverage in the Washington Post with the DOJ attack on Apple.

    It shouldn't take Apple by surprise. Perhaps Apple would be wise to buy that other lousy investment: the New York Times. It wouldn't cost that much these days.
  5. hrMACnstuff macrumors member

    Jan 5, 2009
    "the ones" punishment of apple's success continues...

    the anti-apple campaign began last september and continues on to this day. his anti-business message is old. just like him.
  6. drew0020 macrumors 68000


    Nov 10, 2006
    Are you all kidding me? Apple is so wrong on this one. Even the biggest Apple fan boy should be able to see this!
  7. 3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

    Attached Files:

  8. ArtOfWarfare macrumors G3


    Nov 26, 2007
    Forcing Apple to allow Amazon to link directly to their own store is like forcing Walmart to tell people how to buy directly from the manufactures of their products.
  9. John.B macrumors 601


    Jan 15, 2008
    Holocene Epoch
    This was the same judge who predetermined the trial's outcome before a single shred of evidence was presented in court. What a sham.
  10. 3282868, Aug 26, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2013

    3282868 macrumors 603

    Jan 8, 2009
    You realize that the Obama administration brought in more Mac's over the years, and this is the first time we have a Chief Technology Officer:

    Source: Aneesh Chopra, Obama’s Chief Technology Officer, Talks About Health IT Geek Squads, Entrepreneurship Prizes, and “Data as a Policy Lever”

    Many are Mac savvy and fought the "legacy" Windows systems. Eventually, Obama began moving to Mac systems.

    Interesting as the "Washington Post" first addressed this, and not in a nice light for Obama, so not sure why you believe the Post is working with Obama to take Apple down.

    Mac-savvy Obama staffers frustrated with legacy White House
  11. itr81 macrumors regular

    Jul 12, 2010
    I see apple is finally going after the DOJ. Which is what happens when the DOJ keeps trying to goat apple on like school bully. Now it's just matter of time for apple to sue the gov for 500 million.

    If apple pulls out of the ebook ring tomorrow it would just be a matter of time for b&n to fold under. Then all those ebook prices will just shoot back up...why? No competition for amazon to under cut.
  12. zapnyc macrumors member


    Mar 10, 2011
    New York
    Exactly. Or like forcing Walmart to tell people how to find their products at the Target down the road.
  13. Tknull macrumors regular

    Jun 24, 2011
    San Diego
    It's amazing how many of these types of stories devolve into political debate. I sometimes cringe while clicking on the comments link.
  14. Renzatic Suspended


    Aug 3, 2011
    Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
    What's even worse is how many people don't know what they're talking about, yet still get all righteous and shrill about it nonetheless.
  15. the8thark macrumors 68040


    Apr 18, 2011
    The political debate started with the original MR article. If you don't want political debate, read other articles.
  16. stuffradio macrumors 65816

    Mar 17, 2009
    No, that really won't happen. You missed the mark.
  17. Tronic macrumors 6502


    Jun 10, 2009
    Why doesn't Apple just pull their apps and not worry about it. I'd never buy a Nook or Kindle expecting to read from the iBookstore so why should it be vice versa? Who cares if they loose some customers in the process.
  18. bpcookson macrumors 6502


    Apr 6, 2012
    That's not accurate. There was a bunch of preliminary evidence that the judge had reviewed prior to making that statement.
  19. racer1441 macrumors 68000

    Jul 3, 2009
    Considering Apple has more money in the bank than the US does at certain times, jut buy a state a leave the union.

    Seriously though, why is anyone surprised that businesses are suffering under the heal of the government.
  20. JAT macrumors 603

    Dec 31, 2001
    Mpls, MN
    Barnes & Noble agrees completely.

    So does Borders Group.
  21. BHP41 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 21, 2010
    United States of America
    They wouldn't lose customers. No one buys an iPad or iPhone to read amazon books. What would happen is they would buy iBook books.

    Then Amazon would pitch a bitch fit as it did with this case and another stupid suit would ensue.

    Apple should just tell them, it's our store. We make the rules. If you want to have an app here, play by them. No one is forcing Amazon to have an app on iOS. Amazon know that they NEED that app or they'll lose to iBooks. Hence this trial and the bought judge.
  22. Aluminum213 macrumors 68040


    Mar 16, 2012
    I don't exactly know how, but I was listening to Rush Limbaugh and he said Obama hates apple because it represents the Republican Party

    So sad to see Obama trying to take down apple, he hates American success
  23. hrMACnstuff macrumors member

    Jan 5, 2009
    obama can't even operate an iphone, some CTO he's got

    the best thing apple can do is keep their cash reserve away from the government overseas. when they get tired of his draconian doj, maybe they should move out of the country too. thats where most of their target markets are anyway.

    Sep 10, 2012 - Clueless Obama Can't Use an iPhone ... Marvin Nicholson handed the president his personal iPhone, Mr. Obama couldn't get it to work.
  24. lolkthxbai macrumors 65816


    May 7, 2011
    Im so sick of this back and forth! The DOJ should just fine Apple and disallow the MFN clause. This is so sickening!!! Just let Apple run their store their way!!!
  25. drorpheus macrumors regular

    Nov 20, 2010
    The US Govt spends Apples net worth in a month. They could probably buy some dirt poor state in the south though, just about everything else is for sale down there.

    Yeah, poor businesses, only seeing record profits double and quadruple year after year, it's like someone is strangling them to death and they can't stand their ground, poor souls. If we could only give them billions in tax breaks and write offs so they could get a gasp of air.

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