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I think this exodus has more to do with who Tim Cook designated to be the next CEO than pay issues. When you put those two together, new CEO rumors and people departing, they always go hand in hand.
And it confirms that internally they all know who that's gonna be.
 
I find it interesting that those on the outside of Apple, Gurman and such, know more about what is happening at the Apple executive levels, than the executives themselves.

Could you image the likes Srouji reading an article like this, and 'learning' that he is on the way out of Apple... 🤦‍♂️

 
Apple has reached $4T market cap for margin and profit preservation without invention while Alphabet is nearly reaching $4T market cap with profit preservation AND invention/innvoation resulted by enormous CapEx at the same time.

It seems that continuous CapEx are paying off for Alphabet in the future.

Time will tell, but it is obvious to me that Sundar Pichai is the better CEO than Tim Cook as Apple has not done anything (except Apple Silicon), but strived for the profit preservation.
Other than Gemini, what invention / innovation has Alphabet done lately?
 
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I wonder if apple under cook has resulted in a poor work culture.

It’s odd that so many people are leaving (or considering it) even to the point Tim himself looks to be going. Something doesn’t seem right with unhappy staff. Has he recognised to leave before a perceived internal meltdown and get out at “the top?”
I understand your point somewhat. Alas, to me, Q4 (Oct to Dec) is often the time executives move on; retirement age , bonuses, stock payouts, and all that.

At this point, if reports are to even be believed, it could merely be executives taking their bumper Christmas bonus, and moving 'on'...
 


Apple's senior vice president of hardware technologies Johny Srouji could be the next leading executive to leave the company amid an alarming exodus of leading employees, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports.

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Srouji apparently recently told CEO Tim Cook that he is "seriously considering leaving" in the near future. He intends to join another company if he departs. Srouji leads Apple's chip design and pioneered the transition to Apple silicon.

Earlier this week, it emerged that Meta had hired multiple significant Apple employees, including longtime Apple designer Alan Dye, while conducting its own recruiting blitz for AI and smart glasses development. Meanwhile, Apple announced the retirement of Senior Vice President and General Counsel Kate Adams, Lisa Jackson, Vice President of Environment, Policy and Social Initiatives, and AI chief John Giannandrea. Earlier this year, Apple lost Chief Operating Officer Jeff Williams, who is retiring, and Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri. There have also been rumors about Apple CEO Tim Cook retiring, with rumors suggesting he is preparing to leave his role as soon as next year.

Gurman says that the losses are partly due to veteran executives nearing retirement age, but there is still a "disconcerting brain drain" taking place in the company. Nevertheless, Gurman says the accumulative weight of the departures all adds up to "one of the most tumultuous stretches of Cooks tenure." Some of the losses are said to be a "cause for deep concern," and Cook is now looking to prevent further loss of leading talent with stronger compensation packages.

Gurman notes that "Apple hasn't launched a successful new product category in a decade," leaving it increasingly vulnerable to having its talent poached by more agile rivals who are said to be better equipped to develop the next generation of devices and AI technologies.

Cook himself is thought to be likely to join the exodus and step down in the not-too-distant future. He turned 65 last month and now exhibits a noticeable, unexplained tremor in his hands. He is likely to transition to the role of chairman, rather than vacate the company entirely.

The departure of Srouji is said to be "a more imminent risk" and Cook is purportedly working hard to retain him by offering a substantial pay package and the potential of more responsibility. Some executives have suggested elevating Srouji to the role of chief technology officer. This would move him to oversee a broad range of hardware engineering and silicon technologies, making him Apple's second-most powerful executive.

Gurman says this change would likely require John Ternus to be promoted to CEO, but Srouji apparently would prefer to not work under a different CEO, even with an expanded remit. If he does leave, Srouji would likely be replaced by Zongjian Chen or Sribalan Santhanam. Beyond Srouji and the other reported departures, Apple is believed to be contending with a significant talent drain among its key engineers.

Gurman explains that there has been "a broader collapse within Apple's artificial intelligence organization" triggered by AI models chief Ruoming Pang departing earlier this year, along with colleagues such as Tom Gunter and Frank Chu. Apple lost Siri and search overseer Robby Walker, as well as his replacement, Ke Yang, to Meta.

Apple's AI group is apparently suffering from low morale and there is growing worry over the increasing use of external AI technology such as Google Gemini. Around a dozen of Apple's leading AI researchers have also now departed.

The company's AI robotics software team has seen widespread departures, including its leader Jian Zhang, who joined Meta. The user interface team has also lost members, such as Billy Sorrentino, culminating in Dye's exit.

Apple's hardware design group "has been nearly wiped out," with many employees vacating to other companies or following former design chief Jony Ive to his studio, LoveFrom. Abidur Chowdhury, the designer behind the iPhone Air who narrated its unveiling in September, left for an AI startup.

The company has lost a key director in charge of display technologies, Cheng Chen, to OpenAI. He also oversaw the optics of the Vision Pro headset. In addition, one of Apple’s top hardware engineering executives, Tang Tan, similarly left for OpenAI.

Apple has even lost the dean of Apple University, Richard Locke. Apple University is the internal program intended to preserve the company's practices and culture following the death of Steve Jobs.

The exodus has become a major concern for Apple's leadership, which has instructed human resources to ramp up recruitment and retention efforts. See Gurman's full report for more information.

Article Link: Apple Chip Chief Johny Srouji Could Be Next to Go as Exodus Continues
Cook has had a tremor in one (or both) of his hands for years. Go back and watch any keynote, there is a reason why he always keeps his hands clasped when not making a motion with them.
 
You know, people that are paid their market value and find the workplace a good place to work don't leave or retire.

They may be forced to retire. But my guess is that their stock is worth an amount that no longer makes it worth putting up with the corporate BS.
 
"The old order changeth, yielding place to new," Alfred Lord Tennyson.

This is a young person's industry. Apple needs to tap into the next generation of thinkers and innovators.
I don’t know if this is necessarily true all the time, but I do feel like it is being completely ignored that almost every single top level employee who has left or been rumored to leave over the last year are for the most part all several years older than Steve Jobs was when he passed away or Tim was when he became CEO.
It makes sense a bunch of late 50s to mid 70s (in the case of their chairman of the board) are choosing to finally step down from the company they began working at in their 30s and 40s.
 
I wonder if apple under cook has resulted in a poor work culture.

It’s odd that so many people are leaving (or considering it) even to the point Tim himself looks to be going. Something doesn’t seem right with unhappy staff. Has he recognised to leave before a perceived internal meltdown and get out at “the top?”
How would you like to work and one of the supposed leading innovating and technological companies in the world, but the CEO is totally focused on cost cutting. I would not.
 
We need to discuss the elephant in the room. It's not bean counting, lack of innovation or any of the usual anti-Cook gripes that's at the root of Apple's problems today. It's privacy.

As others have pointed out, when you look at competing hardware products, there's little innovation to be seen. If other products were more innovative and interesting, this forum wouldn't be full of people complaining about Apple's lack of innovation. Those people would be using the more innovative products.

The problem is privacy. Apple's decision to make privacy a cornerstone of their corporate identity has boxed them into a corner. At this point it has become painfully obvious that Apple cannot deliver competitive, much less innovative, AI and voice assistant technologies because of this privacy stance. What do all of the other companies with leading technologies in the AI space have in common? None of them cares much about privacy.

To me, Cook's militant stance on privacy was his biggest mistake. Overall I think he's been an excellent leader for Apple, but I do think it's time for a fresh perspective at the top. The problem for that person will be, what to do about the privacy shackles Cook installed. Removing them outright would be a marketing disaster and would upset many loyal fans who love Apple because of its privacy-heavy walled garden approach to life.

If there was a way to deliver a capable Siri AND remain true to Apple's privacy-centric vision, I think Apple would have figured it out by now. I'd like to see Apple buy Anthropic and go from being privacy paranoid to championing ethical standards for these emerging technologies while recognizing that, for all of this to work, the machine has to know everything it can about us.
 
As opposed to…..Samsung? Google? Maybe Meta if you count smart glasses, but that category is still pretty nascent.

This has honestly been a pretty boring decade for consumer technology. I don’t think Apple should get singled out.

Agreed. Esp as there are other rumours saying Tim Cook is hell bent on releasing AR glasses. If you want to work at a company with an audacious goal, Apple has this.
 
I don’t know if this is necessarily true all the time, but I do feel like it is being completely ignored that almost every single top level employee who has left or been rumored to leave over the last year are for the most part all several years older than Steve Jobs was when he passed away or Tim was when he became CEO.
It makes sense a bunch of late 50s to mid 70s (in the case of their chairman of the board) are choosing to finally step down from the company they began working at in their 30s and 40s.
Yep, the boomers are headed out the door. Bring on GenX and the Millenials.
 
Apple has reached $4T market cap for margin and profit preservation without invention while Alphabet is nearly reaching $4T market cap with profit preservation AND invention/innvoation resulted by enormous CapEx at the same time.

It seems that continuous CapEx are paying off for Alphabet in the future.

Time will tell, but it is obvious to me that Sundar Pichai is the better CEO than Tim Cook as Apple has not done anything (except Apple Silicon), but strived for the profit preservation.
Exactly what successful product has Alphabet invented in the past 10 years? The only thing new they've done of note has been Gemini which in itself isn't profitable but still subsidized by its core ad business.
 
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Like Ive, he's probably bored of helping to design the same thing each year. His talents may be best suited to a business that has much broader scope in terms of technology.
Rather than letting everyone leave, Tim Cook needs to quickly hand the reins to Ternus or someone who is capable of product innovation. To think of all the talent stuck iterating. It’s ridiculous, Tim! Let them cook!
 
We need to discuss the elephant in the room. It's not bean counting, lack of innovation or any of the usual anti-Cook gripes that's at the root of Apple's problems today. It's privacy.

As others have pointed out, when you look at competing hardware products, there's little innovation to be seen. If other products were more innovative and interesting, this forum wouldn't be full of people complaining about Apple's lack of innovation. Those people would be using the more innovative products.

The problem is privacy. Apple's decision to make privacy a cornerstone of their corporate identity has boxed them into a corner. At this point it has become painfully obvious that Apple cannot deliver competitive, much less innovative, AI and voice assistant technologies because of this privacy stance. What do all of the other companies with leading technologies in the AI space have in common? None of them cares much about privacy.

To me, Cook's militant stance on privacy was his biggest mistake. Overall I think he's been an excellent leader for Apple, but I do think it's time for a fresh perspective at the top. The problem for that person will be, what to do about the privacy shackles Cook installed. Removing them outright would be a marketing disaster and would upset many loyal fans who love Apple because of its privacy-heavy walled garden approach to life.

If there was a way to deliver a capable Siri AND remain true to Apple's privacy-centric vision, I think Apple would have figured it out by now. I'd like to see Apple buy Anthropic and go from being privacy paranoid to championing ethical standards for these emerging technologies while recognizing that, for all of this to work, the machine has to know everything it can about us.
If Apple abandons their privacy stance, I'm switching to GrapheneOS and using Linux full time. That's their big selling point. If the next CEO abandons that, that would be the biggest mistake they could make.
 
This would be disastrous.
They should make him CEO and Ternus CTO.
They probably would be better the other way around, but it's clear Srouji wants a CEO role.
 
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Yeah... two employees, the CEO and a senior VP (out of Apple's approx 100,000 employees) leave because they're in their 60s and want to retire and enjoy life with the many millions they earned over the years, perhaps getting into hobbies they never had time for having a high profile position at Apple, and almost everyone goes non-linear.
I can identify with getting out of the rat race to focus on hobbies. You can try, but you really can't take it with you, so you might as well spend some of it and, if it appeals to you, give away some of it.
I guess we may as well stop reading MacRumors, now that Apple is doomed. I need to find something else to fill the free time I'll have. /s
Luckily for both of us, Reddit is full of toxicity too, and maybe it will be around for a few years.
We need an Apple exec. bingo card at this rate. There must be an enormous power struggle going on behind closed doors right now.

I can only hope that once the dust settles Apple becomes a leaner, hungrier, more focused company.
I nominate Elon Musk.
The only individuals who say this are the idiots who love short-term dividend gains or IAP-reliant developers (true scum), as opposed to organic growth resulting from true innovation. Remember when Apple distributed ZERO dividends under SJ?
I'd say that Apple's growth over the years has indeed been the epitome of "organic".
I (and others) have been warning for years that this is how it happens. The stock looks good, the money is rolling in, but the management is out of touch and they don't see the critical problems mounting.
You're not wrong! Intel was enjoying a heyday not too many years ago, and AMD was on seemingly on the edge of the abyss, and looking down into it, too. My how quickly things change.
For the sake of the economy I hope this doesn't tank the stock price eventually, but this is how it happens. Gradually, then suddenly.
We can't ASSUME that Apple is on the verge of failing. But we probably shouldn't assume that it's not, either. It's always smart to be aware of one's surroundings, no matter how good or bad they may seem.
Apple seems to think working at Apple is equal to a higher pay packet. They have been underpaying everyone for years. People like Srouji can pretty much get any job they want.
I don't know, does Srouji's $26M qualify as being "underpaid"? Maybe if you compare him to Elon Musk. Or, well; maybe not.
Current UX across all the devices is an abomination, at best. Simply terrible. Now, that said, I have tinkered with the latest offerings from several other companies and across different hardware platforms, and Apple still leads the way in a cohesive, unified vertical stack. But the UX is getting flashy, cluttered, disjointed, and has certainly traded usability for "pizzaz." I guess that's what the TikTok crowd demands, though.

Apple, for a long time, stood for elegance and usability, with no excuses. Simplicity, effectiveness, and easy to learn... those are almost all gone now, though one can say that the iPhone Air is elegant (hold one and it's pretty awesome). But I dont own one, and it runs the same crappy iOS that my 17 Pro does... I shouldn't have to tap through three screens to do something simple, when one tap will do (and until now, has been the norm)...
There are as many opinions about any given UX as there are people with noses. That's a lot of opinions.
Year 16 of Apple being doomed based on these comments. I’m sure it’ll happen someday if you keep saying it.
Heh heh, that's funny. And true!
I’m more thankful for the stock price than whatever products they make.
It's the stock price that governs whether Grandma is going to be able to give something to her grandkiddies, and whether or not she's going to have to make some hard choices this month.

The stock price ALSO governs quite a lot about what a company can or cannot do going forward. Things like capital improvements, expansion, research and development, and even philanthropic efforts; these are just some of the things that stock price can affect, either positively or negatively.
I think most people, even here, understand that. Still many people in their 60s do retire to enjoy life, slow down a little, and pursue other interests. I've seen that happen many times in places I've worked.

With the many millions of $ he's earned over the years at Apple that wouldn't surprise me at all.
Many of my friends have moved out of the national workforce. Some to paint, others to take photos, make music, or just visit with the grandkids. And yet others have done it to get out of the stress of having to report to people who don't deserve their hard work and dedication.
And he has lead an incredible transition...
At his age, he clearly does not need the money, nor, given his semiconductor background, is going to join some startup in whatever role, so, what is going thru his head? I can guarantee you 1 item: retirement
It's not always "only" retirement. There are many people in their 60s who, EVEN IF they have a lot of money, are looking for something more to do.

Two of my friends went into building furniture in their retirement.

One of my friends stopped building furniture (it was a pre-retirement hobby for him) and started buying and owning horses.

Two of my friends started coaching some kind of youth sports.

One of my friends went to teach high school history.

When the time comes for me, it looks like it might be a full-time job managing my money and contributing to charitable causes. The "full time" part of it will be doing research on these charities to make sure they're not doing evil things.

Sure, people can be "just retired", whatever that means. But there are a lot of people who think of it as a time to do even more than they were able to do while they were working.
People destroy other people property and it's celebrated. What a world...
They off people too. It's been a year now since that CEO was gunned down in NYC. He actually was a good person, and was a father of young kids. But even today, he is vilified while his murderer is celebrated. What a world, indeed.
Act like a creep and expect consequences, yep!
I know you were commenting in response to the dude being a creep with the glasses or something. I get that. But we should get back to a baseline of needing probable cause and due process. Until we do, we really can't have nice things.
"The old order changeth, yielding place to new," Alfred Lord Tennyson.

This is a young person's industry. Apple needs to tap into the next generation of thinkers and innovators.
I would agree with you. But the next generation can't read cursive and don't know that New Mexico isn't in Mexico. Our education system is making it more difficult to find qualified people from those "next generations".
Not true. Look at IBM and Mercedes Benz. Those companies have been around a century, if not more. Ford as well. And those are just some examples.
General Electric, Lockheed Martin, AT&T, Standard Oil, at least a dozen banks, and several dozens of retailers have been around for a century or more too.

They all have either thrived, persisted, or barely survived, depending on whether or not they innovated, and how successful they were in those efforts. IBM transitioned from typewriters to computers. Lockheed Martin built jetfighters and then stealth fighters, rockets, and more. More recently, GE divested itself of all the crazy little divisions, companies, and conflicting interests, although you'll still see the GE nameplate on microwaves built by Haier. But Haier is a separate company and not part of GE.

Things change. Companies that are able to adapt are the ones who will be around long term.
 
Why would he want to leave, I wonder?

Critics suggest people might leave Apple because it isn't dong anything innovative, but this hardly applies to Apple's in-house processors which are excelling.

Also, given Tim Cook's reported "obsession" with building AR glasses, surely there's plenty of challenges to come for someone like Srouji?
 
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