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MacityNet and one of its readers found that TCO Development maintains a listing of certified monitors and a simple search for Apple's certified monitors brings up a new entity:

Apple Model A1038, "Cinema HD Display", 20.1", Certification Date: 2002-11-21

Rumors of a new Apple LCD line have persisted since December 2001, with expectations of a new mid-range LCD to fall in place between the current 17" and 22" offerings. Our LCD Rumor summary from September of 2002 recaps the rumors until that time.

Apple's 15" LCD was dropped from Apple's online store in October 2002, which fueled further expectations for an update. Based on this information, it appears a new 20 inch display is in the works, with certification obtained in November, 2002.
 

arn

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Originally posted by Freg3000
Same dimensions (20.1") as the Formac 2010. Let's see if Apple can beat the price. I doubt it. :(

actually not the same.... as the assumption is that it would be a wide-screen display.

arn
 

Freg3000

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Originally posted by arn

actually not the same
arn

Originally posted by Nipsy
And if they tag it HD, it will also have more pixels.

Yes, you are both right. Sorry for my mistake. An Apple widescreen display would not have the same dimensions as the Formac 2010.

Thanks for the correction.
 

NicoMan

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Originally posted by Nipsy
And if they tag it HD, it will also have more pixels.
Agreed. A Cinema HD tag would give it a 1920*1200 resolution. Now that's what I call a screen, with high pixel density (which is good for font smoothing) and (expectedly) good looks. Now I don't expect it to come cheap...


NicoMan
 

Centris 650

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So what would this do the price tag of the 17" LCD? Probably not much. I really like the apple monitors but can't justify spending $1000 for a monitor. They need to drop dramatically before I consider buying one.

I have found that the discontinued 15" LCD can be found (like at PowerMax) for about $499. That's more in my price range.
 

noverflow

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"Agreed. A Cinema HD tag would give it a 1920*1200 resolution."

Not true at all... the HD part of it does not refer to the gross pixel count... it refers to the ppi.
 

Nipsy

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Originally posted by noverflow
"Agreed. A Cinema HD tag would give it a 1920*1200 resolution."

Not true at all... the HD part of it does not refer to the gross pixel count... it refers to the ppi.

Well, if HD stands for High Density, I agree.

However, Apple are pushing the Current HD as High Definition, as in HDTV. The closet The HDTV folk have to an HDTV standard is 1920x1080.
 

noverflow

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"However, Apple are pushing the Current HD as High Definition, as in HDTV. The closet The HDTV folk have to an HDTV standard is 1920x1080."

But if you look... apple needed a way to distinguish between the 23in cinema display and the 22in

if people just hear that apple cam out with a 23in cinema display that is $1000 more expensive, they would blow it of without even looking at.

but they added the HD part so people will take a look knowing that the pixel count has vastly improved.
 

arn

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Originally posted by cubist
Still, it sounds great, even if I can't afford it. Good catch MacRumors!:D

Actually MacityNet.it should get credit for this... :)

arn
 

Fender2112

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I'm expecting to see the new monitors come in three sizes:

Small: 17" wide screen (same as on the 17" iMac), $600-$700
Medium: 19-21" wide screen (1600 x 1024) maybe HD, $1000 ($2000 for HD)
Large: 23" wide screen (1920 x 1200) HD, $2800 - $3000

I also expect a new design. Something that's as unique as the iMac. I don't think they will have the "swing arm". But they should have a base that allows a simiar range of motion. Maybe a "ball and socket" concept that allow for pivot and tilt.

I hope they come out soon. I've been waiting for the new monitors so I can decide which computer I'll get. If the 17" comes down in price, I may hold out for the next Power Mac. If they remain at their current price, I'll be going with the iMac
 

ffakr

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22" lcds on back order

We put in an order for a 22" Cinema in December. The ship time went from 3-5 days at order to 3-4 weeks shortly after. We are currently being told that it may not arrive until early feburary!

I REALLY hope that Apple doesn't tell us that the 22" isn't available anymore... not after waiting over a month!
 

arn

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Re: 22" lcds on back order

Originally posted by ffakr
We put in an order for a 22" Cinema in December. The ship time went from 3-5 days at order to 3-4 weeks shortly after. We are currently being told that it may not arrive until early feburary!

I REALLY hope that Apple doesn't tell us that the 22" isn't available anymore... not after waiting over a month!

maybe they'll upgrade you to a 23" :)

arn
 

powerjack

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1. The 22-inch LG-Philips panel was EOL'd in December, with no 22" replacement coming.

2. Apple has been working exclusively with LG on the desktop panels (and AU Optronics on the notebooks...).

3. LG has a 20.1-inch 1600 X 1200 panel available, but does NOT have a 16:10 aspect ratio panel near that size.

4. No other LCD manufacturer on earth has a 20-inch-range 16:10 panel in production.

Thus...

1. The 22-inch Cinema Display is dead. Long live the original Cinema Display... RIP.

2. There is (very likely) a 20.1" display coming very soon, but at 4:3 aspect ratio, using the Philips LM201U02 panel, at 1600 x 1200 pixels.

3. Obviously, the "Cinema" and "HD" parts of Apple's naming convention are simply marketing fluff, and have no scientifically precise definition insofar as resolution or aspect ratio are concerned.

4. The LG LM230W01 23-inch panel just had $300 OEM price cut, and the 17-inch LM171W02 panel had a $130 pice cut, from LG-Philips. So, it stands to reason that we'll soon (very soon) be seeing the 23-incher coming down to $2999.99, the 17-incher coming down to $799.99, and a new 20.1-incher at around $1600.00 to $1800.00.

Hope this helps clear things up...
 

NicoMan

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Originally posted by Nipsy


Well, if HD stands for High Density, I agree.

However, Apple are pushing the Current HD as High Definition, as in HDTV. The closet The HDTV folk have to an HDTV standard is 1920x1080.
That was what I thought too. Even though I can be wrong (good chance of that too). On the one hand, 1920*1200 would probably take sales away from the 23"; on the other hand, 1600*1024 might fit better in the range (with a 1440*900 17" and a 1920*1200 23"), but I am not sure about it standing the comparison with the Formac 2010 and all those screens in the 20-21" 1600*1200 segment. And we are not even talking about prices...

NicoMan
 

TMay

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rumored support for Pro class vidcards..

Thinksecret has a note today about some of the 10.2.4 stuff. It seems that there may be support for some Quadro cards and the Fire GL card (among others).

Is this new stuff or has this been expected? Anyway, animation and CAD stuff needs this, so if true, this is a good thing, and will be ready for the 970 this fall.

I'm still holding out for a 16:10 in a 19 or 20 inch format, ie, something a tad more affordable than the 22/23 inch Cinema displays.
 

Tiauguinho

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This sounds trully interesting! This is exactly what I've been looking for, a 20'' widescreen Cinema Display... I trully hope that Apple delivers this display as quick as they can, cause I'm waiting here!
 

faustofernos

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Apple has been sitting on their hands

I am sure a display update, among many other things are on their way, its just the bad economy keeping them from releasing the stuff... So what if they come out with good products? If nobody can afford to buy them, they will sit in the warehouse shelves.


I bet that new iPod with color display & video playback looks sweet sitting on Jobs' desk.

I wonder if they will ad more ports on the back of the displays (having those 2 USB ports is very handy)
 

MacPorter

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Originally posted by Centris 650
So what would this do the price tag of the 17" LCD? Probably not much. I really like the apple monitors but can't justify spending $1000 for a monitor. They need to drop dramatically before I consider buying one.

I have found that the discontinued 15" LCD can be found (like at PowerMax) for about $499. That's more in my price range.

:cool: I bought a 15" refurb from PowerMax two weeks ago for $399. They delivered in about three days (I live in PA). The monitor looks like brand new and I couldn't be happier with it. Refurb ain't so bad!
 

viggen61

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Originally posted by Centris 650
So what would this do the price tag of the 17" LCD? Probably not much. I really like the apple monitors but can't justify spending $1000 for a monitor. They need to drop dramatically before I consider buying one.

I have found that the discontinued 15" LCD can be found (like at PowerMax) for about $499. That's more in my price range.

Power Max also has the 15" LCD display w/ADC, refurbished, for $399.
 
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