Apple Double Standards: Slamming Christianity OK, Slamming Islam NOT OK?

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  1. clayj macrumors 604

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    Outrage! Apple pulls iSlam Mohammed app - leaves Biblethumper

    Is Apple kowtowing to violent, fascist, murderous terrorists and thugs?

    Apple pulled an app from the store called iSlam Mohammed.

    The developer of the app recorded the telephone message he received from Apple and posted it on youtube for all to hear.

    Apple is being hypocritical, because they allow an app called Biblethumper, which is similar to iSlam Mohammed, but is directed towards Christianity instead of Islam.

    And today is international Everybody draw Mohammed day! Apple is sending a bad signal, a cowardly signal IMO.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U452hvls57A&feature=player_embedded
     
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    I'd say it's because they realize how crazy those Islam radicals are. Did you know that the South Park creators got death threats over episodes of their show? They setup a website and everything talking about killing them.

    I'm not a religious person myself, but I do give the Christians their credit here - if you have an issue (most) Christians will talk, debate, and explain their beliefs to you and even if they disagree with you, I've never been threatened with violence.

    However with Islam it seems to be that if you say anything that isn't exactly in line with what they believe the first thing they want to do is kill you. I don't understand any of it but I do know that Islam tends to take themselves super super serious, and there is no room for comedy or parody. Apple is just being smart here as not to start something that could very quickly get out of control.
     
  5. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    ^ You don't think Christian radicals are saner, do you? And this is probably going to get tossed into PRSI clayj.
     
  6. mox358 macrumors 6502

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    Yea I don't want to really turn this into a religion discussion as it's not the right forum...

    I don't think any "radicals" are saner than any other radicals... I guess my point was that the Islamic radicals seem to be much more vocal, and it was probably an issue Apple just wanted to avoid. If the Christian group raised their voice the BibleThumper app would most likely get pulled as well.

    It's in Apple's best interest to cater to both parties... I mean no one is realistically going to not buy and iPad, iPod or iPhone because MuslimBlaster or BibleThumper isn't available are they? No one will remember this even happened in a month unless they're closely involved in the situation, and thats exactly how Apple wants it to play out.
     
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    A Christian will pray for you. A muslim will cut your head off...:)
     
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    There is a double standard. It's acceptable to criticize religion except Islam. ASAIC, they all deserve equal ridicule.
     
  10. yegon macrumors 68030

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    I find this annoying, even as a devout atheist.
     
  11. 4getMeNot macrumors newbie

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    Well, I come from Asia so I may have difference view of free speech from people in US.

    I'm Buddhism but not so religious person. However, I can't see the benefit of criticizing/insulting other's religion. It may be legitimate to discuss about them in philosophy class or else. But for the mobile phone app? Who really needs that kind of app? Insulting other for fun or for money doesn't sounds right to me.

    Back to the topic, Yeah! I agree that it would be nice if they treated them equally.

    I'm sorry in advance if you can't understand my poor English ;-).

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  12. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

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    I'm not Christian so I say this w/ neutrality... I haven't heard of any Christian radicals plot to commit mass murder in the name of their religion recently so I fail to see your moral equivalence connection with radical Islamists that have done so in NY, Barcelona, Mumbai, just for starters.
     
  13. magiclaffs macrumors member

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    Wacky Standards

    Okay- I'll try to not get preachy... I agree with those (Christians or not) that Apple has a double standard here. But it isn't just Apple. Losing our religion : the liberal media's attack on Christianity, by S. E. Cupp is a great book. She is a religion writer, with a master's in religion and very (calmly) open about being an atheist. I appreciate her honesty. I've always held it is better to discuss in the light than to argue in the dark. And by the way, before someone slams me, yes, I'm a Christian. I just appreciate truth when I see someone being honest about it and their beliefs. I wouldn't appreciate an app slamming atheism or even someone making an app on the subject and then apple censoring it. Perhaps this is an argument for jailbreaking? Dunno.
     
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    You are SO going to burn in hell! ;)
     
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    Really? Apple using a double standard? I've never heard of such a thing. I'm shocked I tell you!

    Apple loves them double standards; for example a while back they pulled porn apps except from a select few developers, like Play-Boy. To monitor what viewers watch is troubling, but to select who can display such information, is doubly so. Same principle here; to play favorites with religious figures as to which can be made fun of and which cannot is troubling.
     
  16. One Love 1867 macrumors regular

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    I don't understand why people find this issue so hard to understand. It's absolutely nothing to do with "double standards" or getting arsey about "well if we can laugh at Christians, let's laugh at other religions".

    I'm a staunch atheist. I guess some religious people will argue that's a bad thing, as I'm not privy to the benefits that a religion might bring. I'd argue back that being an atheist allows me to respect and/or appreciate different religions equally, without prejudice and without being blinded by opposing views.

    That's what this boils down to.. respecting other religions. It's quite explicitly stated in the Islam faith that the prophet Mohammed should not be depicted in any way. That's a part of their religion and it's a pretty clear "rule" set out by their faith. You might think it's ridiculous, for whatever reason, but that really doesn't matter. That's a part of the religion, a part which is taken incredibly seriously, so to go out of your way to flaunt that aspect of their faith is going to upset a lot of people.

    Absolutely nowhere does it state in the Christian faith that Jesus or God should not be depicted. That's not a part of the Christian religion. Infact, some of the most famous paintings and art works have featured images of Christ and God, not to mention within churches themselves. To respond to the issue about depicting Mohammed by saying "Well South Park shows Jesus" or whatever totally misses the point..

    The reason why I'm an atheist is because I find religion totally disagreeable. Coming from my part of the world, I probably should be a Christian, but there are many aspects of the Christian faith which I find to be totally ridiculous, unbelievable and contradictory to my other views of modern day life and society. Possibly even offensive, if I was the easily offended type. However, I respect Christians and their religion. It's equally the same for Islam. There are many aspects of the Islam faith which I find pretty laughable, but I'm not going to go out of my way to upset anyone of that faith because of it.

    It's got nothing to do with "double standards" and everything to do with a very basic level of respect for other people and their beliefs. Apple were totally right to remove the App.
     
  17. Full of Win macrumors 68030

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    Using your logic that religious beliefs and doctrine to determine the use of the OS, then it should be set to shut down on the Sabbath, since Christians that use it cannot utilize it for work. Its pretty clear that one should not work on the Sabbath in the Christian faith; and the iPhone can be used for work. Does it disrespect Christians that a device can be used on the Sabbath for work?

    That is insanity.

    Once we allow religious doctrine to influence the approval of app, that is the road we walk down. If they don't like it, they don't have to download the app. Its as simple as that.
     
  18. One Love 1867 macrumors regular

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    Not really.

    The app (and indeed the whole "Lets All Draw Mohammed" day or whatever it is) exists for no reason other than to cause offense to a large group of people because of their religious beliefs. I don't see how it can be defended, in all honesty, and it certainly extends beyond the use of an OS or an application. This isn't an issue about how people use their smartphones, this is an issue about one section of society showing total public disregard and careless abuse of another.

    I just don't see how it's defendable, or how anyone can argue the case that the app shouldn't have been removed. Like I said, rightly or wrongly the depiction of Mohammed is incredibly offensive to Islams and shouldn't be done.

    Would people think it was still a laugh or a joke to draw Mohammed if another group of Muslim extremists flew a plane into the Empire State Building? Or the White House? Buckingham Palace? Any other major symbol of our western world? There are millions of peaceful Muslims the world over who follow their religion in the way that it was intended to be followed. Is it worth upsetting them over a frowned upon aspect of their religion for the sake of the miniscule minority of extremists who see their religion as an excuse for hate and violence?

    Apple have saved themselves a potentially huge load of hassle by doing the decent thing and removing the app. From where I'm standing, there's no logical case for them to have kept the app on the store.. and no, "Well people laugh at Christians blah blah blah" does not constitute a logical reason for purposefully flaunting the rules of the Islamic faith.

    Are you suggesting that the iPhone OS - and every other computer OS on the planet - should be scheduled to shut down every Sunday on the basis that a minority of it's userbase might be tempted to do work on the device? Surely as a Christian that comes down to your own self control and strength of beliefs, as appose to forcing a total block on anything even remotely resembling work for everybody.
     
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    We have a fundmental disagreement that I don't think can be solved with continued debate. I think that RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN THE APP APPROVAL PROCESS - end of story. You think that it should.

    There are plenty of things that offend all religions, but when Apple begins to treat one religion as 'special' like they are the Muslim faith, then it begins to take us down a slippery slope.
     
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    Yeah, not cool. Apple really needs to clarify their app rejection policy. This addition to their list of capricious app selection doesn't look good, and isn't good for the development community either.

    That said, as a private company not taking money from the government, they have every right to accept or reject apps on whatever basis they find appropriate. There's always Android for anyone who disagrees strngly enough.
     
  21. awmazz macrumors 65816

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    What a *$(%# beat-up story. The Biblethumper app is just actual real quotes from the Bible, nothing more. That's it, just quotes. Shake the iPhone to get a different quote.

    It’s surprisingly similar to BibleThumper, a Christian-bashing app , my arse.

    So why would quotes from the Bible be deemed 'Christian-bashing'? Because these quotes contradict the selective quotes the fundamentaist Bible thumpers always like to throw around while ignoring the rest of the Bible. Hence the name of the app, to counter the Bible thumpers.

    Depicting Muhammed is supposed to be forbidden and sacrilege. If so, then it's not the same thing at all.

    What a beat-up. Apple double standards. Get real.

    Surprisingly similar - like my dog and my cat both have four legs.

    Surprisingly similar - like PCs and Macs both have Intel processors.
     
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    A slippery slope it is indeed.

    Should a Christian website publisher be required to publish the writings of anyone who's work is legible and grammatically correct, yet not aligned with the values of the ownership?

    Or, for a more concrete example, should a gunsight manufacturer be required to put inscriptions of all faiths on their sights if they allow any?

    Should a Catholic hospital be forced to perform abortions? A private school forced to accept children with gay parents? A pharmacist to refuse to provide legal contraception because it goes against their faith? Or for that matter, should a pharmacy that refuses to stock contraceptives and promote itself as a Christian pharmacy be allowed to open?

    You see where the slippery slope takes you when you disallow a private company to use religious tests as they see fit...
     
  23. awmazz macrumors 65816

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    Surprisingly similar - like the Earth and the Moon are both spherical.

    Surprisingly similar - like this post and Mactastic's above both have words.
     
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    Unless you're a doctor who provides abortions... then a christian might shoot you while you're at church.
     

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