Apple Seeds Sixth Beta of macOS Catalina to Developers [Update: Public Beta Available]

adrianlondon

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Baffled to why anyone would prefer either Firefox or Chrome over Safari.
I find Firefox much faster than Safari. For me, whether I use stock Safari or Safari Tech Preview, it likes to redraw the screen whenI swipe back on most forum websites. Including this one. I swipe back, wait a second or two and then it redraws. If I click on something without being patient, and the reload moves the forum topics around, I end up opening a topic I didn't intend to click on.

Plus, I don't like Safari's cookie control. Nor the way the tabs shrink in size as you open more of them. And many other UI things I've come to like about Firefox. Ah yes, it also loads complex Youtube pages much quicker. And I can use uBlock Origin.
 

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And that's why I use Safari! :D
Baffled to why anyone would prefer either Firefox or Chrome over Safari.
On my Apple devices I solely use safari, on my PC -> Firefox.

But there are people who maybe just don’t like Safari and prefer a different browser. Especially if you’re in different eco-systems safari wouldn’t be my first choice either.
 

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My personal experience (iMac 27 2019). Always getting that "your computer restarted due to a problem" warning every time I start my computer even if I switch it off normally. Every time I start Audirvana I get this: "Audivarna needs your authorization to use media keys". I had none of these warnings in the previous version :);):apple: Just one more thing, since the previous version Catalina always rearranges Launchpad icons the way it thinks is better. It doesn't consider your own preferences in that particular case.
 
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Babygotfont

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Baffled to why anyone would prefer either Firefox or Chrome over Safari.
back in the day, chrome was the ***** ... now, chrome on mac os is a piece of ***** ...

for me its habit ... when websites/forms don't work in chrome, i use FF/safari and they usually render fine ...

time for me to break the habbit
 

navaira

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back in the day, chrome was the ***** ... now, chrome on mac os is a piece of ***** ...

for me its habit ... when websites/forms don't work in chrome, i use FF/safari and they usually render fine ...

time for me to break the habbit
I'm using Brave – Chromium based, built-in adblock, disables all ads and tracking cookies, doesn't use half the resources Chrome eats. I've got the same problems with Safari as @adrianlondon, plus it doesn't work on my Android phone.

On topic: I'm watching this thread and dreading Catalina so far. It sounds like the final version will be the real first beta. I'd pay extra if they would stop the yearly update circle. Mojave 10.14.6 is (nearly) perfect. I am mostly interested in Dolby Atmos, assuming it will even work on any of our four Macs, but I am not interested enough to watch half of the apps crash every time I try to use them.
 
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adrianlondon

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...I'm watching this thread and dreading Catalina so far.
I think it's going to be ok. I'm having issues with Photos (it's messing up its database when I delete albums that contain photos and it crashes quite regularly, although I've never lost any work) but apart from that it's not bad for a beta.

Losing Firefox for a beta was irritating, but it's just one app and it was just one beta version. Small things that I didn't bother logging in Feedback, such as BBEdit taking ages to open files, seem to be getting fixed too. It'll be ok in the end, I'm sure. I may mumble under my breath about losing dashboard but I'll cope.
 
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cromagnontech

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Did you do an in place upgrade or a clean install?
I've worked something out for my issue with Archive Utility crashing. It only occurs when the folder that the zip file is in a folder linked to iCloud Drive: e.g. Desktop or Documents, or the new 'Downloads' folder that iPadOS uses.

I had changed the default download location in Safari on the Mac to this folder (to create a single, synced location where all downloads go), and was opening the file in that folder (iCloud Drive/Downloads).

If the zip file is in a local folder (e.g. the standard Downloads folder at Users/myusername/Downloads) it opens fine.

I assume then it's a bug in iCloud Drive, where maybe the syncing engine tries to begin the sync half-way through the unzipping process, killing Archive Utility?

Can anyone else confirm that zip files in iCloud Drive won't unzip?
 

MMX2

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Install took 30 minutes- no manual reboot required.
Firefox now works as before the betas.
Apple Music issues fixed.
Still having issues with Apple TV- I get sound but no picture.
Anyone else seeing this?
 

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I find Firefox much faster than Safari. For me, whether I use stock Safari or Safari Tech Preview, it likes to redraw the screen whenI swipe back on most forum websites. Including this one. I swipe back, wait a second or two and then it redraws. If I click on something without being patient, and the reload moves the forum topics around, I end up opening a topic I didn't intend to click on.

Plus, I don't like Safari's cookie control. Nor the way the tabs shrink in size as you open more of them. And many other UI things I've come to like about Firefox. Ah yes, it also loads complex Youtube pages much quicker. And I can use uBlock Origin.
...and only to the cost of frequent mirroring of everything you do (and all other nasty unknown things developers can think of to gather information from you that they can sell or use themselve for what ever reason).
 

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If it weren't for Chrome being a battery hog, I'd absolutely use it full time.
Microsoft made some changes to lower power usage (during media playback) in Chromium as part of Edge (Chromium) and Google is going to use it in chrome, so I'm sure you will be seeing it soon.
 

rgbrock1

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Very nice but Sophos Anti-Virus and Anti-I'm-Going-To-Mug-Your-Mac software still will not install in Catalina public beta.
NOT GOOD.
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Great News - can't wait to try it out

Hope that Column browser in music is restored or an alternative is in the works?

Is there a FireFox fix?

Any idea what "shelves" are? in Music?

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Firefox fix? I'm running v68.0.2 of Firefox on the latest public beta of Catalina with no problems whatsoever.
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Anyone test to see if they fixed the crashing of Firefox in this update as the cause of the crashes in beta 5 was an apple bug.
I had a similar crashing problem with Firefox on earlier Catalina public beta builds but it seems to have been resolved in the latest public beta as I no longer experience any Firefox crashes at all.
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Seems like only the newer MacBooks are affected by the absurdly long install times. My 2012 MBP installs the betas just fine and I’ve never had an install go over 5 hours.
I have a 2019 MacBook Pro and the public beta install of Catalina took 23 minutes to complete.
 

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Me neither. I think the main thing I want fixed is videos on iCloud. I want the Finder able to stream videos from the cloud to your desktop and not have to wait for a download. At the moment, you can only do that in iCloud.com, where http streaming works. In the finder, though I can download to play in iOS, in my present public beta, the Finder won't even download them, and iCloud.com is the only thing that works.
For those who are not seeing the public beta in Software update, assuming of course that you've registered your macOS device to receive the betas, enter the following command in 'Terminal'

sudo /usr/sbin/softwareupdate --set-catalog https://swscan.apple.com/content/catalogs/others/index-10.15seed-10.15-10.14-10.13-10.12-10.11-10.10-10.9-mountainlion-lion-snowleopard-leopard.merged-1.sucatalog.gz

This rebuilds the macOS catalog and will then enable you to obtain the latest public beta of Catalina.
 
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