Apple Self-Driving Car in Manual Mode Involved in Minor Collision That Wasn’t Driver’s Fault on October 15

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    One of Apple's Lexus SUVs outfitted with autonomous driving equipment was involved in a minor car accident on October 15 while being driven in manual mode, and the accident in question does not appear to have been the driver's fault.

    According to an incident report filed with the DMV, on Monday, October 15, an Apple test vehicle in manual mode was side swiped while turning left in a dual left turn lane onto Stewart Drive from North Wolfe Road, an area in Sunnyvale, California that's close to the Cupertino company's headquarters.


    Both of the vehicles suffered minor damage, but no injuries were reported. The full text of the accident description is below:
    This is the second time that one of Apple's test vehicles was involved in a minor traffic accident. Back in August, one of the Lexus SUVs Apple uses to test its software was hit by a Nissan Leaf while attempting to merge in autonomous mode.

    Apple, like other companies in California testing self-driving vehicle technology, is required to disclose all autonomous vehicle collisions to the California DMV.

    Apple has been testing its self-driving software since early 2017 using Lexus RX450h SUVs outfitted with a host of sensors and cameras. All of the vehicles are piloted by a pair of drivers at all times even when in autonomous driving mode.

    We don't yet know what Apple plans to do with its self-driving software, but rumors this year have suggested the company is once again exploring the possibility of a full Apple-branded vehicle that could come out between 2023 and 2025.

    Apple is also developing a self-driving shuttle service called "PAIL," or "Palo Alto to Infinite Loop," which is designed to transport Apple employees between the company's offices across Silicon Valley.

    Article Link: Apple Self-Driving Car in Manual Mode Involved in Minor Collision That Wasn't Driver's Fault on October 15
  2. Baymowe335 macrumors 601

    Oct 6, 2017
    So Apple wasn’t at fault and the car at fault fled the scene.
  3. techno96 macrumors member

    Sep 10, 2009
    How is this news? Who cares? It wasn't even in autonomous mode and the driver of the test car wasn't at fault.
  4. keysofanxiety macrumors G3


    Nov 23, 2011
    Ironically if people’s driving tests had this level of scrutiny, there’d probably be a lot less accidents in the first place.
  5. Saipher macrumors demi-god


    Oct 25, 2014
  6. Moonlight macrumors 6502a


    Jul 9, 2002
    Los Angeles
    We need self driving cars. They will dramatically lessen auto deaths and injuries and open our clogged roadways again with smart driving. All this story does is play into our fears of computer driving and will make self driving cars harder to populate the road with. We need POSITIVE stories about self driving cars, and statistics on HUMAN accidents and auto deaths.

    Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.

    This will go WAY DOWN with self driving cars.
  7. gaximus macrumors 6502a

    Oct 11, 2011
    So is there going to be a news article every time an apple employee is in a car accident, it wasn't in autonomous mode or even the drivers fault?
  8. HowEver macrumors 6502a


    May 10, 2005
  9. Pakaku macrumors 68020


    Aug 29, 2009
    Depending on whether or not it was the Apple Car driver's turn to proceed, this is either a non-story or a massive non-story
  10. mspangler49 macrumors newbie

    Mar 31, 2013
    hmmm... hit a vehicle with like 20 cameras on it and not stop. I wonder if there is video of the other car? Is it okay in California to leave the scene of an accident?
  11. pdaholic macrumors 65816


    Jun 22, 2011
    Lately I’ve been surprised to see so many of these cars on the road in the bay. A couple of days ago I saw 3 of them driving, all within a block of each other. That’s a lot of miles being accumulated, and it’s not surprising to have a minor accident if they are spending much time on the road in “manual mode.”
  12. hmark8 macrumors regular

    Jun 17, 2009
    Ugh more Mac Rumor click bait. The car was in manual mode meaning this news is as interesting as any minor car accident since has nothing to do with apple's self driving features and sounds like it was the other persons fault anyway.
  13. macaddiict macrumors regular

    Oct 22, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    I had the same thought - why on earth would anyone leave the scene of an accident with a car that has that many cameras on top? Seriously?! People can be idiotic.
  14. Breaking Good macrumors 65816

    Sep 28, 2012
    I wish I could triple thumbs up this.

    There are going to be risks as we move to autonomous vehicles. These risks shouldn't be dismissed or downplayed. They should be identified, discussed and plans to mitigate them should be put into place.

    However, these risks need to be viewed in the larger context of the potential for lives saved and the possibilities of reductions on carbon emissions as driving becomes more efficient and electric vehicles become more practical.

    Self driving cars needs to happen and the sooner it happens the better we will be as a society.
  15. BornAgainMac macrumors 603


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    If the story is trying to kill the autonomous car then it isn't working for me.
  16. TheMadCow macrumors newbie


    Dec 16, 2008
    Reno, Nevada
    That was my first thought too. Surely they can pull a still from those cameras? That data has to be recorded, at least for engineering review - unless it's off in manual mode.
  17. Pakaku macrumors 68020


    Aug 29, 2009
    Only if the car was actually acting autonomously, and crashed into someone instead of being crashed into, neither of which are the case here.

    If the driver was turning left at a red light, well, that's just your everyday (unfortunately) mundane human error.
  18. Shiro_Simba Suspended


    Sep 28, 2018
  19. Bin Cook macrumors 6502

    Jun 16, 2018
    Be interested in the answer to this. Here in the UK it is a crime but even when you then produce footage, the Police let the law breaker off.
  20. duervo macrumors 68020


    Feb 5, 2011
    Usually have to prove that the normal owner/driver of the vehicle was the one that was actually driving it at the time of the incident. Typically hard to prove, as it would need a good view of the driver (decent camera angle,) which is made more challenging by tinted windows. The usual response is some form of traffic fine sent to the registered owner of the vehicle.
  21. dannyyankou macrumors G3


    Mar 2, 2012
    Scarsdale, NY
    Some people will misinterpret this article. When it says it wasn’t the driver’s fault, it DOES NOT mean it was the autonomous car’s fault.

    It means that the Apple car was in manual mode with a human operating it, and it wasn’t his fault. Another car sideswiped Apple’s car.
  22. KrispE00 macrumors regular

    Nov 18, 2016
    It’s not click bait when the whole correct story is in the title.
  23. Scottsoapbox macrumors 6502a


    Oct 10, 2014
    Not true. Most of those deaths come from China and India. Guess who can't afford a car let alone a self driving one? All the insane moped riders going the wrong way, pulling out in front of buses, etc. I mean after you see traffic in a major city in China you would be surprised the death toll is that low. It is stunningly bad driving. Invent a self driving moped -or even a moped with self preservation- if you really want those numbers to drop.
  24. dannyyankou macrumors G3


    Mar 2, 2012
    Scarsdale, NY
    Also just a side note, I saw one of those Uber autonomous cars in my town a couple days ago. It was cool.
  25. bruinsrme macrumors 603


    Oct 26, 2008
    Thanks for keeping us up to date on breaking news. <s>

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