Apple should get rid of iLife on new MacBooks

Discussion in 'MacBook' started by Chaos123x, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Chaos123x macrumors 68000

    Jul 8, 2008
    Why does Apple include iLife on the new Macbooks if you can't use half the programs anymore?

    You need firewire for DV Camcorders and even for brand new HDV Camcorders.

    So that kills iMovie and iDVD, unless you use those really crappy USB or flash drive camcorders.

    With Garage Band almost all accessories that work with it are firewire based, and the usb 2.0 ones are far to slow for that kind of audio program.

    Without a fast external firewire hard drives it really limits other functions of all iLife programs.

    I think Apple should remove iLife from the Macbook until firewire is a feature again.

    How many phone calls is applecare going to get with people trying to hook their video and sound equipment to their mac to use iLife programs?
  2. philamac macrumors regular

    Jul 11, 2008
  3. drewx2 macrumors newbie

    Mar 29, 2008
    You make very good and valid points, however, Apple is probably not targeting these segments for Macbook users. The Macbook seems to be geared towards students.

    For anything needing power, I switch to my Mac Pro. For stuff on the go, I use my Macbook. And for many others, they may opt for the Macbook Pro for these features.
  4. Chaos123x thread starter macrumors 68000

    Jul 8, 2008
    Pros would not use iLife in the first place :confused:
  5. 103734 Guest

    Apr 10, 2007
    some of you guys are so melodramatic


    I used the entire iLife suit except garage band but never even used the firewire port, USB 2.0 is almost as fast as firewire 400 anyways.
  6. Chaos123x thread starter macrumors 68000

    Jul 8, 2008
    Except that you can't capture video with USB 2.0 because it does not have a fast enough sustained transfer rate, and 99% of all DV and HDV cameras use IEEE-1394

    Either way I am not crying I never use ilife I use Final Cut Studio 2 on my octo-core Mac Pro....

    Just saying if was going to buy my mom or girlfriend a new macbook for x-mas what pain in the ass it would be explaining to them that you can't use any of the features. Most consumers don't know what firewire is, and they will find out they need it after they make the purchase.

    I guess Apple will never allow a consumer grade computer that has both firewire and non-intel intergrated graphics. (Ati or Nvidia)
  7. Shurran macrumors member

    Jan 10, 2008
    Somerset, UK
    Wow, so so very wrong. Although I am by no means at the top of my game, I am an audio professional and use iLife regularly to jot down quick ideas or capture samples or pretty much everything where I don't need the full horsepower of Logic or Pro Tools. I also use iMovie/iDVD to do a few capture straight to DVD tasks for clients.

    To the OP, there are a lot of very good audio interfaces that use USB. I use a Digidesign mBox 2 so I can mix wherever I am and do stereo location recordings. However, as far as I know the DV standard is so totally tied into firewire that EVERY miniDV camera uses firewire to capture to computer. The industry does seems to be moving to solid state/HDD cameras, but the compression being used so far for low-end-pro and consumer doesn't really lend itself to proper editing/grading.
  8. 103734 Guest

    Apr 10, 2007
    how can you not use it? I know what firewire is and I have never had a problem using anything without it, I have had a blackbook for years and used iLife countless times without the need for firewire.

    I can't even think of any consumer level cameras that need firewire, all of canons high end consumer level HD cameras support USB, I don't even think any of them support firewire.
  9. Chaos123x thread starter macrumors 68000

    Jul 8, 2008
    ok... if you say so :rolleyes:
  10. 103734 Guest

    Apr 10, 2007
    Really, does your girlfriend or mom carry around a $3000+, 10+ pound professional DV camera ?
  11. Chaos123x thread starter macrumors 68000

    Jul 8, 2008
  12. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    ive never used firewire but ive never had a camcorder, instruments or anything that would justify the need for it

    i think it is lame that they took it out and to anyone who sides with apple, why?
  13. leighonigar macrumors 6502a

    May 5, 2007
    On the plus side, they [the macbooks] are now so freakin' expensive that you may as well get the pro, the pro with firewire.
  14. themightyspitz macrumors regular


    May 16, 2007
    Baltimore, MD
    ...Or you could shell out another $30+ for a FireWire-to-Ethernet adapter and stop complaining.
  15. timestoby macrumors 6502

    Jun 10, 2007
    north devon,uk
    howd that go again lol
  16. deltaiscain macrumors regular

    Jul 24, 2008
    well go cry. If you are this professional that you need a firewire, you would get a macbook pro, with the better graphics card. so stop complaining
  17. Tosser macrumors 68030

    Jan 15, 2008
    Except he would need an ethernet-to-firewire adaptor.
    You really think it's a) as quick as a real firewire connection, and b) is even supported by the Apple?

    Further, you will have to be able to import/export through ethernet in your various applications, otherwise you will run into problems.

    This is NOT simply a question of having the right plug. Apple will have to enable firewire over ethernet for starters.

    This adaptor, although it looks like what you suggest, is used as a network tester, and as such is not a "real" adaptor:
  18. Trip.Tucker Guest

    Mar 13, 2008
    Exactly. Not a professional camera. Just more marketing blurb for another janky piece of Sony garbage.
  19. Tosser macrumors 68030

    Jan 15, 2008
    I think you missed the point entirely, completely, and utterly.
  20. polar-blair macrumors regular

    Apr 20, 2008
    Yeah the lack of firewire and the added extra graphics card made me go fot the new MBP. I dont use fiewire a lot at the moment but can see myself using it later. Also if you get by paying a fixed sum over 36 months like me its only £5-10 extra for a MBP so I though ill just get that then.

    But as said before people using the MB are generally student s and wont really need firewire as much as designers or people using video, and I guess apple did it to keep things simple, most people I know have never used firewire. The only real use for it for the majority of people would be in an external hard drive.
  21. Trip.Tucker Guest

    Mar 13, 2008
    Oh I saw it. I just didn't bother addressing it as it's a pointless debate with no merit. I simply wanted to counter his/her 'exhibit A' as used to show an alleged reason to justify their argument about professional use.
  22. iCantwait macrumors 65816


    Sep 3, 2007
    Melbourne, Australia
    yep, because my point and shoot needs firewire to connect to iPhoto:rolleyes:

    ... NOT
  23. Batt macrumors 65816


    Dec 17, 2007
    Syracuse, NY
    You can save a ton of money and buy the white one for $999. It has FW.
  24. slu macrumors 68000


    Sep 15, 2004
    You don't get more wrong. ALL current DV and HDV cameras use firewire to transfer video to a Mac. That is fact.

    I have two Panasonic cameras: a PV-GS250 and PV-GS180, both of which could not be considered anything but consumer cameras and both of which are not supported in the new Macbooks.

    Also, to those that keep posting that they don't use firewire and never have, we don't care. Many of us are disappointed Apple dropped this feature and did not provide a bridge solution. If you are not, then good for you: the new Macbook is perfect for you and you should buy one.

    It is not unreasonable for those of us that enjoy video editing to be disappointed that we can no longer use a Macbook.

    And I find it funny that all those that say "get an adapter" never provide a link. Reason being is that no adapter exists.
  25. iShater macrumors 604


    Aug 13, 2002
    I agree with the OP about how removing FireWire from the MB does impact how iLife is used. One of the selling points for all of the Macs has been that you can just plug in your camcorder (something that few people replace often) using FW and import your video.

    By removing that, any person who had the entry level systems will have to replace their cameras, and I am not sure how friendly that is to consumers.

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