Apple's iWork emerges as rival to Microsoft Office


PlaceofDis

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somewhat surprising to say the least, given the limited functionality of Pages. i still use Office for the Mac and i don't mind it one bit. i don't know if i could switch over to pages permanently. Keynote though is vastly better than Powerpoint in my opinion.
 

maya

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PlaceofDis said:
somewhat surprising to say the least, given the limited functionality of Pages. i still use Office for the Mac and i don't mind it one bit. i don't know if i could switch over to pages permanently. Keynote though is vastly better than Powerpoint in my opinion.
Give it some time, MS Office has been in development for how many years? Right that being said, iWork will catch up soon enough. ;) :)

Keynote overtakes PowerPoint

Pages 3.0 will over take Word by about 50%.....here is hoping. :)
 

PlaceofDis

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maya said:
Give it some time, MS Office has been in development for how many years? Right that being said, iWork will catch up soon enough. ;) :)

Keynote overtakes PowerPoint

Pages 3.0 will over take Word by about 50%.....here is hoping. :)
oh i don't doubt that it has potential. Pages will grow on me i'm sure. but not as of yet. i have to throughly go through the 2.0 release of it still and i might come around to it. but perhaps a few more years in development will see it as a great alternative. but just not yet i don't think.

i am glad that iWork is doing as well as it is. and i hope by this time next year improvements have been made as well as another app added in. if not more. ;)
 

Mord

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my love of pages and keynote it beyond words, no pun intended, seriously, word is cluttered and slow, whereas pages lets me do what i want how i want it easily.
 

superleccy

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Peace said:
All they need is a good spreadsheet and database..
Just a spreadsheet would be nice, I can live without a Database.

However, although it's uneasy for me to say this, Apple will have a tough job beating Excel.

Regards
Superleccy
 

plastique45

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I agree that keynote is better than Powerpoint, but I don't think that page can rival word at all. Pages is more an indesign type of application. Also, they have no accounting/Excel killer-app.

iWork is really geared towards presentations of every kind and in that respect it's great.
 

EGT

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Hector said:
my love of pages and keynote it beyond words, no pun intended, seriously, word is cluttered and slow, whereas pages lets me do what i want how i want it easily.
Pages and Keynote are both perfect for my needs. I'm still getting use to them because I only recently bought iWork with iLife '06 just to see what they're like in comparison to Office for Mac. Verdict so far; iWork is great!

Word is cluttered and slow compared to Pages but it has a lot of good features that Pages doesn't.

I'm definitely sticking with iWork for a while though. It's just nice to use. :)
 

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Peace said:
All they need is a good spreadsheet and database..
Database: Here's what I would think would be a good Access killer for most users. Make a nice web front end to a SQL server on .Mac with local caching of tables. That way you could access your databases from anywhere, including your iWeb sites...

Spreadsheets: It is kinda funny that Excel started its life as a Mac only app. I don't think anyone will be knocking it off its pedestal any time soon. Spreadsheets are weird though. Many people use Excel for tasks that would be better suited for a database, other kinds of analysis programs, or can easily be handled with a tables plugin as exists in iWork '06. Is it really a good idea to encourage people to do everything with a spreadsheet? ;)

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Fiveos22

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From Article said:
"When you add all of them up we stand strong to our claim of being the leading alternative," said Richard Carriere, general manager of Corel's Office Productivity unit. That said, having a major presence at retailers is important, he added.

"It's a small fraction of the market, Carriere said, adding: "It's very important for showcasing our product and we are present in all the major outlets."
Stammer, stammer, backtrack, stammer. Retail is a small fraction of the market, eh? Its a shame to lose a competitor to MS, but if you aren't providing a product that people want...then what are you doing?
 

redAPPLE

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isn't filemaker a distant cousin of Apple? or an estranged sister?

i think excel is bloated. i think word is bloated. the only reason i use word when i open a word document. come to think of it, i don't even write .doc files.
 

nagromme

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Pages can never be a "rival" of Word in a sense: it's not the same KIND of program, nor does it try to be.

If what you need is Word, it's the better program. For others' Pages is the better choice.

But iWork can take sales away from Office as people realize there's a better choice for them. I suspect there are a LOT of people who value style and ease over the massive list of options found in Word.
 

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Peace said:
All they need is a good spreadsheet and database..
They might as well buy Quattro Pro from Corel, who bought it from Borland, and give it a face lift, since Corel isn't doing much with it. :D

They should also be providing a light version of FileMaker to complete the suite.
 

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And here I am, thinking that iWork sold nothing over the past year...

a 2.7% market gain in a year. 0-2.7%. Wow.

Especially considering iWork is only sold for Apple Computers. There are a few reasons for this, however. For one, iWork is undoubtedly worth 79 bucks - iLife is even more of a steal at 79 bucks (iPhoto alone could be sold for 79 dollars and sell decently!)

Additionally, Keynote is far superior to PowerPoint, especially in terms of animations. Pages, however, is more of a replacement of Publisher, not Word - it needs to incorporate a grammar check, auto save, and...as much as I hate to say this...toolbars. Toolbars are what make Word so efficient; the 'Inspector' is nice for a publisher/iWeb type of application...not an office one.
 

Stella

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Apple should have integrated Core Data with iWork - that is perfectly good for basic database requirements.
 

iMeowbot

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redAPPLE said:
isn't filemaker a distant cousin of Apple? or an estranged sister?
Wholly owned subsidiary. Apple talked years and years ago about taking Claris public, but it never happened. Sales are small enough that they don't even get their own line item in Apple financial reports, instead they're lumped in with "other". The other long term embarrassment is that FileMaker is still offered on Windows.
 

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stoid said:
Well, I guess that just shows how pathetically other products are selling if iWork is number 2. :p

Still good news though!
Especially considering it is only avaialbe on Macs running Mac OS X. iWork will never overtake Office or even come close as long as it is Mac only. I don't mean to say they should release it for Windows but it is only availbe on a platform with a tiny marketshare. If it does overtake Office on the Mac MS will just can Office for Mac and they everyone will complain.
 

jholzner

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iMeowbot said:
Wholly owned subsidiary. Apple talked years and years ago about taking Claris public, but it never happened. Sales are small enough that they don't even get their own line item in Apple financial reports, instead they're lumped in with "other". The other long term embarrassment is that FileMaker is still offered on Windows.
My guess is that Apple will eventually just absorbe FileMaker Inc.
 

Superdrive

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But....
Pages is far from a word processor. The day they can beat out Word, or at least come close, will be the next time I buy iWork. The upgrades in Keynote alone are not enough to get me to upgrade.

I sincerely hope that iWork does not rival Office in the near future. All we need is another app by MS killed.
 

macidiot

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iMeowbot said:
Wholly owned subsidiary. Apple talked years and years ago about taking Claris public, but it never happened. Sales are small enough that they don't even get their own line item in Apple financial reports, instead they're lumped in with "other". The other long term embarrassment is that FileMaker is still offered on Windows.

Filemaker is very popular in corporate environments. It competes head to head with Access. And often wins.

As for being offered on windows being embarassing, I'd hardly call it that. It would be useless to business without cross platform availability. In fact a windows version is critical. And has always been.

Besides, is the fact that there are versions of Quicktime and iTunes for windows a "long term embarassment?"
 

sigamy

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I really think Apple's aggressive pricing on iWork is a big reason for the #2 position. Wasn't Keynote at least $99 when it was released a few years back?

Say what you will about Pages--some love it, some hate it--and it is not a direct competitor to MS Word but to get both Pages and Keynote for $79 is a pretty good deal compared to MS Office.

Apple really should add a simple spreadsheet app, a scaled down version of FileMaker and a drawing app. They can then do an iWork Pro bundle for $149 or $199.