Especially when they first explain how it benefits me by allowing them the privilege to track me in order to show me ads that I may be interested in. I block ads anyways systemwide on my iPhone and Android phones using Adguard.
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I’m not saying that people working for legitimate companies are like the mob. I’m saying “But these companies/organizations need to feed their kids!” is not a justification for a business existing. Those in illegal businesses want to feed their kids, too.
So you are fine with letting companies harvest your data and life for profit?
Yes. I am also fine with people working in cigarette factories, single mom's stripping to make ends meet, and casino workers putting chips in the hands of degenerate gamblers, knowing their customer probably won't be able to pay the mortgage now.
I am fine with people who work in positions and industries I find distasteful. Everyone has a right to work.
What an awful, ignorant and self-righteous place this forum has become.
I am fine with anyone doing whatever they please, and working at whatever job they please, until it impacts me directly. Let the invasive, tracking parasites go out of business.
So apparently it's self-righteous to not want your data sent to the four winds? Good for you! Sell your data to the highest bidder then. That way you support those industries even more. Gamble one then, you need to support the casino industry everywhere.
Well, many of us don't want our data collected and sold. Honestly it feels to me like whenever I am online their is an army of peeping toms trying to invade my privacy. Sure, doing that might stimulate jobs, but I don't exist to stimulate the job market.
I thought about this for a while.
I am okay with them collecting basic data. The personal specific detailed data I am against unless I specifically grant it.
Everyone should be able to have the ability and opportunity to be gainfully employed.
If the webpage I’m on is a carburetor forum, then, by all means, they can show me all the carburetor ads they like! Anything that crosses from one site to another, in my opinion, are the things I’m glad Apple’s standing in the way of.
I don't mind a website storing data on what I do on that website. What I mind is when they sell that data to others, without my consent or paying me a royalty for the privilege.
"Well, many of us don't want our data collected and sold." Fair enough, but understand there are no free lunches. Want great search? Don't want to pay for it? Want to democratize information and make it so the poorest among us have access to free information?
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Search and democratized information does not require creating a profile of users and tracking them across the internet. Search and democratized information was available for quite awhile before that by placing ads the same way they were placed on TV… ads on computer websites showing computer hardware and software, ads on flower forums showing ads for fertilizer and new bulbs, etc.
And maybe that’s the problem. The internet was built on the back of content being funded by advertising, which in turn bred perverse incentives like extremely invasive tracking to the extent we are seeing with Facebook.
The economics of the internet was built on a foundation of rot. I don’t have an idea of what a better alternative might entail, but perhaps the lower profitability from ATT just might be the push the industry needed to eventually come up with one.
Agree 100%--this is the economic model we all signed up for (without knowing for the most part).
"Search and democratized information does not require creating a profile of users and tracking them across the internet." I agree, but it would include a new model of monetization. I don't pretend to know the answer. Is it showing you just any old ad? Do some people actually derive some use of targeted ads? Is that possible? Maybe not you, but a normal internet user?
My argument is simply this is the economic model we all (mostly unwittingly) signed up for. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Targeted ads are just a red herring. If they were truly targeting ads to you they'd know if you've already purchased that item and are no longer a potential customer, are no longer interested, or after showing you the ad the hundredth time if you still haven't bitten that you're not likely to do that with the next hundred times you get that same ad. I'm looking at you YouTube.
Then again there is something to be said when the ads for Viagra or diapers or Panty Liners or … stop showing up. Even if the new ands are for something I just bought.
I rarely make use of these ads.
The Internet wasn’t built on the back of content funded by advertising. The internet existed for years before anyone was funding content on it. I think it’s important to remember that.
No new model of monetization is required. All today’s web ad giants were built on the old monetization model they brought over from radio and tv. They could have settled with that and the web as we know it would not have have been materially different. instead, they went down the road of tracking users across sites and selling that data, just because it was there and they had the means to do it. it did not provide a more robust advertising capability, it just provided another revenue stream to the companies in question, a revenue stream outside of the core business of delivering advertising.
Social media companies have lost 10 billion in revenue… Have any sites shut down as a result? Did Facebook Fold? No. We don’t need to have that 10 billion dollars in revenue replaced, they just need to say “bye bye” to it. It’s not like they’re not still profitable, it’s just that the CEO’s bonus is going to be short a few million dollars. I’m good with that.
Target the ads the same way ads are targeted on TV and radio, and podcasts, that’s the right and happy level of targeting that folks are good with and have been good with for years. However, the urge to “do the wrong thing” is strong with advertisers, so companies like Apple need to take the steps to make it more difficult for them to do the wrong thing.