I have been constantly agrivated by the marketing tactics by every company, and Apple is no exception. this article basically sums up and proves that Apple tweaked (or by my definition, cheated) its G5 benchmarks. It is well written and educated, and quotes many sources including the official SPEC benchmark page, which disagrees quite significantly with Apple/Veritests benchmarks. Brief summary in case you dont want to follow the link: Apple/Veritest modified the industry standard SPEC benchmarks to take advantage of the G5, and crippled the PCs by not using SSE2 and disabling Hyperthreading when it would have helped more than 50% in some benchmarks. The numbers for Dual Xeon 3.06 vs. Dual G5 2.0 vs. Pentium 4 3.06: SPECint_base2000: Xeon (veritest): 889, Xeon actual: 1152, G5: 800, P4: 1085 SPECfp_base2000: Xeon (veritest): 646, Xeon actual: 1053, G5: 840, P4: 1092 SPECint_rate_base2000: Xeon (veritest): 16.7, Xeon actual: 21.7, G5: 17.2, P4: 12.6 SPECint_rate_base2000: Xeon (veritest): 11.1, Xeon actual: 15.7, G5: 15.7, P4 12.7 To summarize, the current dual Xeon actually beats (equals in one case) the almost-released G5 in every SPEC benchmark, the one that Apple displays first and foremost. The P4 system, that can be had for around $1000 similarly configured, looses out in only the throughput tests likely due to its single bus. A couple other points: When will these REALLY ship? Will this be like the PB17s? Why cant Apple say, We are announcing the G5, and we have enough built for everyone. Remember the Dell they are comparing it too is out and not all that new. Real world tests really matter. Darn those Photoshop tests! What 45 filters did they use? Photoshop has about 100 filters, and most people only use a few. Why arent they more specific? I would seriously bet the filters were hand picked to favor the G5. Also, why does Apple screw people who just purchased a system by introducing something much faster AND somewhat cheaper. I'd hate to be the guy who just bought an ultimate G4. Or the guy who bought a 23" LCD the day before they dropped $1500 in price! The PC upgrade path is fairly steady and predictable. I am a hardware guy, thus not so impressed by OSX vs. XP arguments. I find myself quite capable of being equally productive and efficient on OSX and XP, despite the fact I find them both to be a bloated pig of an OS. Despite all this, I still like the new G5s. They are priced fairly, nicely designed, and they have the other obvious advantages of Apple. On top of that, its easier to find optimized Altivec programs than optimized SSE2 programs (considering ratio of optimized to not-optimized). Sorry for the long post.