Are Kyrgyz protesters making a case for gun ownership?

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  1. DoNoHarm macrumors 65816

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    I'm not sure if many of you have heard about the protesters in Kyrgyzstan. Long story short, the government has been an oppresive cleptocracy for many, many years. The public got especially upset with recent widespread fraud and mismanagement.

    Bloody protests are ensuing. You can see an incredible set of photos and videos here that show people being executed by the police on the street - and police being beat up by protesters:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/kyrgyzstans-government-overthrown/article1525821/


    What struck me about the protesters in the "video" section of the article was that they had guns. Given the brutality of the police, clearly there would be an Iran-esque crackdown on the protestors if it were possible. While proudly liberal, I've begun to appreciate the fact that public gun ownership would prevent the state from cracking down on it's own citizens. You may be thinking that the USA would never get to that point, but look at what 8 years of Bush did to the economy (did I mention I was proudly liberal?). Anything can happen, and guns are the best last defense of personal liberty.
     
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    This is exactly why I believe in the right to bear arms. It has nothing to do with protecting myself from burglars, but rather putting less power in the hands of the government. The United States wouldn't be what it is today if the original founding colonies didn't have guns. It was access to guns that made the revolution possible.

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  3. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    But if the protestors are armed and causing a bit of trouble it gives the police a good excuse to shoot at them.
     
  4. StruckANerve macrumors 6502

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    They are already being gunned down in the streets.

    "Kyrgyzstan's Health Ministry said 40 people had died and more than 400 were wounded in clashes with police. Opposition activist Toktoim Umetalieva said at least 100 people had died after police opened fire with live ammunition."
     
  5. DoNoHarm thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I think I've managed to piss off conservatives and liberals with this post. oh well, at least I've pissed off everyone equally.
     
  6. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    I consider myself a radical leftist by all accounts.

    I am also a gun owner.
     
  7. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    The history of protests, worldwide, over these last fifty or so years has been that the police of harsh regimes are the first to shoot. In most countries, the citizenry is unarmed, thus enabling a harsh regime's goons to maintain control.

    Gun control is not about crime, it's about control.
     
  8. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    Private gun ownership in Krygyzstan has historically been low although it has increased somewhat in recent years. What is shown in this case is that initially arms are not a problem the important thing is numbers when confronted by the anger of so many people authoritarians more often than not fold,the people armed themselves by seizing the arms being used against them quickly.The question of private gun ownership and resistance to authoritarian regimes is complicated by gun owners generally being right wing and therefore supportive of authoritarianism.
     
  9. theITGuy macrumors 6502a

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    Good for the people of Kyrgyz acting like citizens not subjects :D - we should send some crates of some choice firearms to the people of Cuba and Iran...

    -J.-
     
  10. Disc Golfer macrumors 6502a

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    I own firearms but not because I think they'll give me a chance in hell of defending against the police or army. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    You've tried that,didn't work out to well.

    (not to the people of course but to the authoritarian would be rulers)
     
  12. barkomatic macrumors 68040

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    I agree that an important element of gun ownership is for resistance to any future athoritarian regime. I don't own any guns myself, but I'm bothered by the desire of some to ban guns outright--or make getting one so onerous and expensive that they are effectively banned. Case in point, NYC.

    A gun ban at first will be sold to the public as a great step forward in terms of reducing violence and crime. It may be several years later before people realize the long term negatives.

    It always perpelexed me that my fellow liberals support gun bans. There is always this fear (somewhat irrational IMO) that an ultra right wing Christian fascist government will be installed someday-- and yet they support the very measures that would make them unarmed and defenceless should such a scenario occur.

    Reasonable background checks yes, outright gun bans no.
     
  13. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not sure how guns will protect you from a right wing Christian fascist government.
     
  14. Queso macrumors G4

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    Yeah, they'd happily nuke any commie pinko fag socialist Almighty hating traitors who were carrying guns.

    In Jesus' name of course.
     
  15. barkomatic macrumors 68040

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    How can you not be sure? People don't like bullets--they hurt.
     
  16. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    So you'll shoot Christians? Or shoot government people? Or shoot both?
     
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    The liberals are always going to say no guns = less violence. What they don't realize is that some people don't play by their rules and are in an entirely different mindset.

    The best gun is the one thats never used.
     
  18. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    Many liberals are for gun control not banning. But of course the conservatives don't want gun control because it involves the government. They hate government. They love Walmart. (Talk about stereotypes! Ha ha.)
     
  19. barkomatic macrumors 68040

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    Since such a scenario is hypothetical, its impossible to say.
     

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