Are the moderates really to blame or are they the smart ones?

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  1. MacNut macrumors Core

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    The Conservatives blame the moderates for blocking their agenda, the Liberals say the same thing. So are the moderates just getting in the way or are they the only smart ones that think both sides are wrong. What is so wrong with having the country driven to the middle. Both sides seem so threatened by the center.
     
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    In my opinion the "moderates" are the ones worried about the next election.
     
  3. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I'm not worried about moderates. I'm worried about extremists. They're the ones who get all hysterical and scare the crap out of moderates. They're the reason no progress ever gets made.
     
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    The extremists on both sides are the ones running the country. The Democrats don't want the moderates ruining their heath care bill. The Republicans don't want the moderates taking away their religion. It just seems like the center has become the scapegoat for both sides.
     
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    That statement reinforces my view that the moderates are the only ones really concerned about being re-elected.
     
  6. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Difference is- freedom of religion is guaranteed by the Constitution and can't be taken away. That's an irrational fear. Health care getting ruined? Well, it already is for the most part.
     
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    I'm sure the Democrats didn't want to please the moderates or likes them holding up their bill. It seems like listening to the center is a chore for both sides even if the middle is right about everything.
     
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    No need for a thread, we know which group you guys are under. :p
     
  10. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    I'd still blame the moderators. ;)

    They got the ban hamster, all Obama has is guys in Black SUVs and helicopters wearing tri-letter vests.
     
  11. Prof. macrumors 601

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    Took the words right out of my mouth, Lee.
     
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    I love how most Americans think how the constitution is always the silver bullet.
     
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    Expand on that idea please.
     
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    Well its a bit like the Treaty Of Waitangi. People seem to think that just because its written on a piece of paper and signed by people its going to be upheld by the government.
     
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    Well I am a moderate who believes that extreme left or right is not the right way to govern for an entire nation. I have issues with liberals in regards to taxes and spending (turn on those money machines and spend spend spend!!!) and I have issues with conservatives on their extreme social agenda. I am a believer in live and let live when it comes to social matters. So yes us moderates are the smart ones in my opinion!
     
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    To me, moderates are kind of a weight we liberals have to drag while trying to move this country forward. They slow down progress. I think the blue dog Dems and the moderate Republicans are demonstrating this admirably in the health care debate.

    The theory is that there are times when moderate voices in either party help keep that party from going off the deep end. But is that the reality today?

    If anything, moderates are too empowering to the "deep end" of the Republican party. After all, who got W elected? Twice? Moderates, who voted with the extremists.

    OTOH, there's almost no "deep end" for liberals these days. Fox propaganda notwithstanding, this isn't the 1960s, and there are almost no liberals advocating Communism. What does pass as liberalism these days would've looked pale back in the 1960s. So if weak liberalism is nowadays the starting point, and moderates are a drag on that, it's no wonder we're not going anywhere.
     
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    A HUGE problem nowadays is that it's too profitable to be an extremist on either side. :mad: People forget most Americans are nowhere near any of these extremes, and as such talking politics--like talking sports teams--turns into a ugly situation in no time flat. :rolleyes:
     
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    It also looks pretty pale from across the Atlantic.

    The Democratic Party, in terms of the overall positioning of the bulk of 'western' democracies, is fairly right-centrist. In that sense, the screams of 'socialism' from the know-nothings are little more than empty rhetoric from modern-day Birchers who have nothing to offer in improving the slide in a number of yardsticks in which the US used to lead the world.

    I wonder if anyone can point to any important piece of legislation or movement that has improved society coming from a so-called moderate?
     
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    Both of the stinking partys are ran far from center, its whats wrong with our govt at the moment. No one is representing the middle, the us tax payer the american worker etc. Both partys are extremist ran hence both partys suck and arent helping this country at all. Outlaw the partys and the lobbyist that buy them off is the only solution to these liars and lawyers.
    REGISTER INDEPENDENT! throw them both out!:)
     
  20. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    What's a moderate in this case? Someone whose a centrist by a sensible worldwide measure, or a centrist in US terms (i.e. someone whose right wing).
     
  21. Cave Man macrumors 604

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    Most moderates are invertebrates. But then again, invertebrates are the most successful organisms on Earth...
     
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    On the contrary, I see myself as a moderate. I'm probably more left than right in my views, however, neither side will ever be a perfect fit for me.

    That said, extremists don't scare me. I pity them. Actually, I had a very tough choice when it came to the last election, until Palin became the nominee for Vice Pres. That automatically shifted my vote toward Obama. McCain was a very qualified candidate until he allowed that book banning, wolf killing, hate-mongering moron become his VP.

    I look at the Left, who most of spit on our Viet Nam vets when they came back home and I pity them for being so hateful toward people who had to do what they were told. Draft Dodgers are the biggest pussies ever. I look at those who say we shouldn't have guns and I feel bad for when they have to defend themselves against a home intruder or their own government and can't.

    I look at the Right, who point their fingers and say "it's the left's fault," but how quickly they forget Reagan plunged the country farther into debt than ever before, that he provided weapons, training and money to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups to fight the Russians. That Bush Sr. started a war over oil, and Bush JR. took a 3 Trillion Deficit and pushed it to 10 and started a war to finish what daddy hadn't.

    I just tell them to shut their mouths and go about my business. </end rant>
     
  23. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    A moderate is someone who is down the middle that doesn't agree with the far left or right of either Republican or Democrat.
    How can you say a moderate is slowing down progress when it is the far left and right that drags their feet on rational ideas.

    It is the liberals and conservatives that are pushing their agenda that is hurting the country.
     
  24. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    I think one would have to invoke cultural relativism here and conclude that discussing anyone as a moderate can only be done when comparing them to people they perceive as like themselves... And I've heard enough rhetoric from the European right wing to question the idea that centrists in the US are right wingers.

    But I do think in general that moderates are inertia-laden and have a hard time contributing to sweeping changes, at least in the areas in which they're most moderate.
     
  25. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    I don't think moderates mind change as long as it is done respectfully and with everyones ideas. When one side or the other says this is how it's going to be and everything else is wrong, that is where the problem is.

    Liberals and Conservatives both think they are right and the other side is wrong, well don't they both have good ideas and horrible ideas. What is wrong with picking and choosing the best of both.
     

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