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Are there any good reasons NOT to buy the new 16 MBP?
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If you don't actually need a new laptop then maybe, lol.
Otherwise they're giving you more for the same money. Nothing to dislike with this release. Go for it!
Otherwise they're giving you more for the same money. Nothing to dislike with this release. Go for it!
redheeler
macrumors G3
I can think of two:
- Screen is the same as last year's model, only bigger. PPI still 226, refresh rate still 60 Hz.
- No 802.11ax Wi-Fi, which is gaining market share and likely to become standard on the MacBook Pro next year.
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maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
No track record with the updated keyboard - one would hope its an improvement but its new...
Gen1 product and make no bones, this is a gen1 product
Not needing the machine, i.e., can wait.
T2 chip is still being used and still can produce stability issues.
Not using 10nm chips, so performance isn't going to be that much of a bump.
Gen1 product and make no bones, this is a gen1 product
Not needing the machine, i.e., can wait.
T2 chip is still being used and still can produce stability issues.
Not using 10nm chips, so performance isn't going to be that much of a bump.
I was so sure as soon as this thing releases, I will pull the trigger, but I think I am going to wait another year.
Reason being, my 2016 is still OKish, depend on what you have now. And another good reason is the WiFi 6 someone else mentioned, I had a 2012 MacBook Pro that didn't support AC, and it was quite a fiddle to upgrade myself, there is a thread for it.
2nd thing that might happen is Apple might move to ARM CPUs as soon as next year, then this will be the last generation of Intel Macs, I guess the transition is not going to be that quicker than the laptop's life cycle, but I'd rather get the first of new generation than the latest of the old generation.
Reason being, my 2016 is still OKish, depend on what you have now. And another good reason is the WiFi 6 someone else mentioned, I had a 2012 MacBook Pro that didn't support AC, and it was quite a fiddle to upgrade myself, there is a thread for it.
2nd thing that might happen is Apple might move to ARM CPUs as soon as next year, then this will be the last generation of Intel Macs, I guess the transition is not going to be that quicker than the laptop's life cycle, but I'd rather get the first of new generation than the latest of the old generation.
Nits will
- no improved quality screen, higher refresh like others screens available on comoarable Windows laptops with 90 and 120 mhz refresh.
- no improved webcam, no face Id
- screen isnt that much bigger. 16 inches vs 16.4 rumored or the old 17 incher.
the AX wifi is annoying but likely due to Intel being lazy and slow. It's a clue tho that even if you buy today your next update is around the corner.
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likely it will hit the airs first. then a few years later the high end.
- no improved quality screen, higher refresh like others screens available on comoarable Windows laptops with 90 and 120 mhz refresh.
- no improved webcam, no face Id
- screen isnt that much bigger. 16 inches vs 16.4 rumored or the old 17 incher.
the AX wifi is annoying but likely due to Intel being lazy and slow. It's a clue tho that even if you buy today your next update is around the corner.
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the chances they do ARM on the high end CPUs soon is very low
likely it will hit the airs first. then a few years later the high end.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Oh, is that why people keep asking about mojave? I've been off of the mac long enough, I didn't realize the latest OS, will not run 32bit apps.
Good point, we're seeing OLED, fast refreshes, touch screens, 4k, none of that is available on the MBP.
What's so good about No 802.11ax Wi-Fi?
Would mean I need to upgrade my wifi router which I haven't long bought (and it cost over £200! haha)
Would mean I need to upgrade my wifi router which I haven't long bought (and it cost over £200! haha)
If you just bought the 2019 and are outside the return period.
redheeler
macrumors G3
Yes, Catalina will not run 32-bit apps. Its been mentioned on the front page here several times.
Howard2k
macrumors 604
You're correct, but to be more precise, Catalina will not run 32 bit code. There are some 64 bit apps that have 32 bit components (such as Lightroom). 🙂
redheeler
macrumors G3
I'm still using an old AirPort Extreme (802.11ac) and it works well enough, so I get what you mean. 802.11ax is nice to have for the future though, and if you plan to keep the MacBook Pro for more than a few years you're likely going to want it.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I'm not using a mac, so I wasn't really looking at catlina based stories ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Howard2k
macrumors 604
In an uncongested home network, not too much. It may bring higher throughput but it will depend how it's deployed. Aside from the 1.4Ghz 13" the current Pro range all scale up to 1.3Gb/s (using an 80Mhz channel), which is far more than most people have at home anyway. The 1.4GHz 13" and the Air range are limited to 867Mb/s.
Most poeple won't need either 1.3Gb/s or 867Mb/s, but the effect of 3x3 vs 2x2 antenna deployment means that as you move to the outer reaches of your network range you're still supporting higher speed. So 1.3Gb/s vs 867Mb/s may not matter too much, but at a larger range the difference may become more noticeable. And if you're using NAS for Time Machine then you have 50% greater bandwidth.
For ax, the key benefits are more efficient use of the available bandwidth for bursty traffic flows. So when you have 20 devices attached the performance degradation will be FAR less on 802.11ax than on 802.11ac, with 802.11ax bringing some "full duplex"-like characteristics. Higher through will be available too, assuming it's deployed that way.
Although there are 802.11ax laptops around already, I haven't seen any deployed in 3x3 fashion, only 2x2. If the MacBook Pro with 802.11ax is 2x2, then the theoretical throughput vs the current 3x3 802.11ax deployment is 2.4Gb/s vs 1.3Gb/s. That's assuming 160Mhz on 802.11ax vs 80Mhz on 802.11ac. If we're somehow stuck with 80Mhz 2x2 on the new 802.11ax, then it's 1.2Gb/s vs 1.3Gb/s, so worse off during large max bandwidth transfers, but you'd still get the benefits for your smaller bursty traffic flows. But then if you're in a crowded neighbourhood (from a wifi perspective) you may not be able to hit 160Mhz anyway, since that's basically taking all the "air space" and saying "Mine".
Ultimately 802.11ax may provide a huge uplift in the right situations. If it's a half hearted 2x2 deployment then it's probably no better than 3x3 802.11ac for the average user.
Yes, rip and replace your router if your router doesn't support 802.11ax. But you would be able to use an 802.11ax Macbook with an 802.11ac router, running 802.11ac, not 802.11ax.
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Depending on your workflow, any MBP 2015 or later has more than enough power for your needs. If you have a 2018 or 2019 15", you will gain very little except for some specific use cases.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
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There is a measure of temptation, but I'd probably pass.
I could go into detail over one facet or another, but suffice to say, software wise, windows provides a better solution for my needs. On the hardware side, I have a great fast machine that is stable, more expandable, does way more then the MBP could do, so why mess with success.
The biggest reason - my wife would kill me if I bought another computer, a year after buying the thinkpad
depends on your internet.Assuming you are in the UK if you are on BT’s 80mb or 330mb AC is more than enough, but if you are lucky enough have the new gigabit FTTP broadband, AC WiFI becomes the bottleneck. I have Community Fibre with 1 gb connection, max I can go is 500 mb.
Yeah - I'd like Wifi 6 - I even have a Wifi 6 router because I needed an upgrade a few months ago and didn't see the point in not getting the new tech - but at my current internet service (a 600/400 fiber line), a 3x3 AC device does just fine - normally close enough to my full 600mbps speed. In fact, a 3x3 AC client does better on my network than the new iPhone 11 Pro with Wifi 6.
Is anyone worried about the T2 chip? Seems to have caused alot of problems in the past, do we think they addressed this with hardware/software?
MrGunnyPT
macrumors 65816
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