Are You Outraged ?

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  1. Plutonius macrumors 603

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    A new study was recently released investigating moral outrage from people.

    In the study, it was determined that most moral outrage is not driven by altruism but is instead driven by self interest.

    I always thought that was the case and I wonder why they needed a study to figure that out. You only have to look at PRSI post containing moral outrage.

    Do ever believe that a person showing moral outrage is doing it out of altruism or are you cynical like me :).
     
  2. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Am I outraged that a political group elected a pathological neurotic liar as President? Yes. It's in the entire country's self interest, even the ones who support the anarchy agenda, to fix this the sooner the better.
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    It depends on the act that's eliciting the outage. If we're talking about being outraged over someone's opinion, then I'll agree that is driven by self interest. But if moral outrage concerns protecting the welfare of other people, then I see that as more altruistic.
     
  4. niploteksi macrumors regular

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    You might be outraged against something you perceive as an injustice against someone else because you are worried that eventually if it goes unchecked it will expand to affect yourself.
     
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    In my real life moral outrage doesn't exist. I keep my eyes on my own paper.
     
  6. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    True. But that unchecked path isn't always clear. It's possible that moral outrage ultimately boils down to the fear for one's own safety or well being, but I'm not ready to throw out ethics, morality, conscience and empathy as motivating factors.
     
  7. niploteksi macrumors regular

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    Spiderman No 15? I love that one :)
     
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    I like number 5: Guilt-induced moral outrage was lessened when people could assert their goodness through alternative means, "even in an unrelated context."

    The world has always been the same. People are always complaining about how things are. Yet those who are happy and successful accept that the world is constantly changing, and the only thing you can control is your reaction to what goes on around you.
     
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    "Keep your eyes on your own paper" is the best life advice any of us will ever hear. You can't get upset, jealous, angry, bitter, etc if you just mind your own business.
     
  10. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    So why do your posts so often reflect upset, bitterness and anger?

    Your avatar alone ... :rolleyes:
     
  11. niploteksi macrumors regular

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    I see :) Do you think many people adhere to that advice? I'm not sure I think that's always a good advice to be honest, but sometimes maybe it is.
     
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    PRSI brings out the worst in me. The world around us is so insane that your have to mock it at some point. Besides, these are global issues we discuss here, a wide few. When it comes to my personal life and the people in direct contact with me I typically keep my eyes on my own paper.
     
  13. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I'm outraged that the USA has the highest levels of child poverty and food insecurity in the "first world" nations.....not sure how that reflects self interest in any way.
     
  14. Huntn macrumors G5

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    It does indirectly but this is not a criticism of a valid reason to be outraged.
     
  15. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Altruism's a funny thing. Because, at the end of the day, even the most generous acts are ultimately driven by a certain level of self-interest.

    Why is Bill Gates giving billions of dollars to eradicate diseases such as smallpox and polio? Giving still more billions to develop effective sanitary systems in places like India and Bangladesh?

    I'm sure part of it is based on what we'd call altruism. But on a certain level, I'm quite sure that he wants his children and great-grandchildren - no matter how rich and comfortable they most probably will be - to live in a better world. To live in a world where billions of people aren't living in abject poverty and misery. That if a kid growing up poor in Kolkata or Nairobi isn't watching his siblings and parents die agonizing deaths, then that kid is going to grow up creating something that makes the world a better place. That kid is going to become a musician or a chef. A game-warden or a tour guide. An electrical engineer or a university lecturer. Rather than a beggar, a thief, or a terrorist.

    That's what altruism is all about. The ability to think longer term, and bigger picture.
     
  16. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Market shaping/building/tapping, mostly.

    https://www.amazon.com/Such-Thing-Free-Gift-Philanthropy/dp/1784780839 <-I'm on the last chapter now. Don't mistake these people as anything other than self interested. Most of what they actually undercuts the ability to set up local institutions to combat these problems, meaning when the foundation pulls out (as they do often) the local population is often worse off than they were.
     
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    Umm. Smallpox was eradicated in '79.
     
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    Nah. I'm pretty cynical like you, bruh.
     
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    in my advancing age I settle for being disappointed more often than outraged over most things that strike me as "so wrong"... at least when I have the sense to know that outrage is completely inappropriate. Like when the online store is out of pale yellow T-shirts, I am generally disappointed, not outraged. I could maybe save my outrage for considering what someone was paid to make the shirts in Bangladesh or Cambodia, since I know a thing or two about sewing.

    Even then my outrage might be misplaced. No one here wanted to make the shirts for that price and someone there was willing to do it. That there is no shirt making job for someone here at that price is... our great good fortune, so far, if you ask me.

    We talk about bringing jobs back here, but if we do, we'll be bringing the payscale here too, considering more states are going right to work and we're apparently entering a new era of deregulation. Watch and learn... all over again. Maybe outrage will become appropriate all over again too. For now I stick with disappointment instead.
     
  22. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    But are you also outraged that the "other" party nominated someone who was at least equally despised and lost because people didn't trust her.

    This works both ways. I do understand how you can be outraged that some people voted for Trump which gave him the Presidency, but at the same time you also need to be outrage by those who 1) voted for Hillary and 2) those who helped rig the primary for her to win. Had those things not happened, Trump would probably not be President.
     
  23. Huntn macrumors G5

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    I don't despise Hillary, she was clearly the best choice in this election, after Bernie. I'm outraged about the multitude of lies told about her by the Right for the political win. I think we are at an impasse. ;)
     
  24. twietee macrumors 603

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    I don't read much philosophy but as a young scholar of ca. 10years a teacher told me: "Everything you do, even the good things that seem altruisitc, are done because of self-interest." - it did made sense back then and still does imho. So no surprise here. No need to be cynical about that though (so no "if everybody cares for themselves evybody is taken care off" drivel).


    When I learned that a person I thought a (online-only) friend was voting like he did I was first shocked then genuine morally outraged - and then moved on. So yep, I guess that is selfish. But I'm ok with that.
     
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    As I said before, "outrage" seems an overused word to me. Nonetheless the level of vitriol aimed at Hillary Clinton in the last campaign was disgracefully over the top. Even as a Sander supporter, I separate that stuff from the annoyance at the DNC's thumb on the scale. So did Bernie Sanders make that distinction. And I point the finger where it belongs, at the far right's unending campaign against Clinton since the 90s. The Russians in their opportunistic grab for the naive Trumpians were merely frosting on that cake. Our own far right's money has been baking those anti-Clinton cakes for years.

    I'm pretty annoyed at how few people acknowledged at the polls that Clinton is more competent than Trump. We flipped a bird to mere competence in government, which does retain the ability to shock me.

    But as far as being "outraged" or even "annoyed" at voters who went for Trump: I'm exasperated at the dumbing down of this society for decades now. How can you be outraged at people who have been trained to oversimplify everything since the first day they laid eyes on a TV screen? Babies don't get much of a chance to understand the joys and sorrows of complexity before it bites them in the behind over their choice of yes/no throughout life.

    Really I'm not convinced that Sanders could have won the election against Trump. Bernie was tagged with "socialist" in the sense of politics so far left of where this country is as to be laughable, especially considering that the GOP rump called the corporatist Obama socialist for eight years, in order to try to make their far right politics look more centrist.

    I do think another Republican might have won against Clinton too, just out of rejection of the Clinton entourage and their penchant for living in a bubble and half-inventing the rules for life in the margins of law. But short of an establishment GOP option, the voters' mood was about drop kicking politics as usual and trying to get some kind of reset. It's pretty clear Trump's "reset" is not quite panning out to what was hoped for by his core support from the primaries, considering his Cabinet picks and the resistance of his borrowed party to implementation of some of his campaign promises. For his more cynical supporters in the general election, i.e. those who would have settled for Obama-3 in Clinton but who preferred the GOP's legislative agenda, things are working out fine so far.

    It's also clear to me that dislike of Clinton from her own party (and from independent voters) makes the waters pretty muddy about how much preference for Trump-land there really is abroad in the land at this point. The one thing Democrats have to understand is that the ranks of self-identified independents have probably swelled as a result of the 2016 elections. The one thing Trump supporters may not yet grasp is that same phenomenon affects the GOP as well.
     

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