As an American I wonder what Europeans actually want from the USA

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  1. darksithpro, May 30, 2017
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    I see a lot of Europeans posting here. It's no secret they despise our President, I get that. My question to them is what do they want from America specifically? It's good to have strong Euro allies, but at the same time don't you think both parties should respect the different values and goals we have? Trumps election was "America First" and I agree with that. Every nation should always be primarily concerned with it's own well being, then it's friends and partners abroad. So like I said, I'm curious to know what you guys want from America. Lets take out Trump bashing specifically and talk about generally what you Europeans want from America? Do you want us to be like you guys, mimic your political and social structures? You want us to see eye to eye on the environment? You don't wan't us to be capitalistic anymore?
     
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    Lmao. Nice
     
  4. Stefan johansson macrumors 65816

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    The main concern is,a less violent attitude,and to respect the things that US government under earlier administrations signed,like the Paris environment treaty.
     
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    They want us to leave them alone. Ya many will take our money but they still don't want us meddling.

    And they want our jeans. I guess they are cheaper here than in Europe.
     
  6. T'hain Esh Kelch, May 30, 2017
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    We want americans to be more sane, think about reality and be less whiney. ^

    And we want less polution, more responsibility, less agression, less me-me-me-first, more cooporation. Or in other words, much less Trump, way more Obama.
     
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    Good point,but most jeans sold in Europe,even the American brands,are made in Asia anyway.
     
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    Most American companies are owned by foreign companies. :)
     
  9. darksithpro thread starter macrumors regular

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    So, we Americans are currently viewed as violent and insane? That's terrible. We are your friends. Why would we do things to tarnish our friendship with you guys?
     
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    Yes America is the country that invades countries over false pretences and acts like a bully on the world stage flexing it's military might at anything it doesn't like.

    This is why 9/11 happened and why ISIS isn't going anywhere.

    Deal with the fact that as a country until you're kind to others you'll be view with bloodcurdling hatred in the eyes of those who's families you have bombed, killed, maimed and destroyed.


    P.S. I'm an expat abroad, people love America the country for a lot of things but view the stupidity of it's military and narrow minded view of the world (we're the best, nobody else matters viewpoints) as the biggest cons.
     
  11. darksithpro, May 30, 2017
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    So, you consider America as an Enemy? The great satan like Iran has stated?
     
  12. Zwopple macrumors regular

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    I don't necessarily, but I'm saying others do and it's not necessarily invalid from their viewpoint so. But if you're comparing "Western" countries America is by far the most evil of any of them.

    Aside from foreign affairs the view that people that fall on hard times (get sick, lose a job) deserve to be left on the street with nothing (anti-food stamps, anti-welfare, anti-universal healthcare) is just a sad state of affairs.
     
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    Good question. You should pose it to donald trump.
     
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    Geography can be pretty deterministic. You can't get much different than continental Europe and the US. Subsequently, US involvement in Europe has been reflective of the principle and abstraction that only a country surrounded by ocean and no menacing neighbors can manage.
     
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    From the NATO and the US trade representative website. It pretty much sums it up.
     
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    Have you actually seen how your president is acting? Really?

    His behavior is a very clear portrayal of how most of the world view americans these days. After all, almost 50% of your presidential votes went to that guy, so its probably and unfortunately a good presentation of the average american.
     
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    What has he done so wrong? All he asks is that Euro countries spend 2% of their GDP to defense, so if Russia attacks to try and annex your countries the whole burden won't be on USA to protect countries like yours. Climate restrictions affect jobs. If people cannot work in America and abroad, do to restrictive environmental regulations then that hurts our country for growth.
     
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    As a European myself I wish Americans would be more compassionate, even when they have they own tragedies, less insular and more aware of the world outside of their shores and most of all, less arrogant that they are the worlds police.

    Your post illustrates this perfectly. 'The whole burden won't be on America to protect countries like yours', you said. The 'whole' burden? Since when has it been the 'whole' burden and since when has America succeeded in a major conflict without significant help from its allies? This whole 'America saves the day' attitude comes out of America so often and is viewed as fantasy over here. Hollywood has a lot to answer for and do do your history teachers.

    We are friends and I hope we have a mutual respect. Despite many of us sharing ancestry, we are vastly different due to culture. I cringe when Americans come over and say my 'Irish' when the similarities end with a name or a great grandfather who came over in the 20's. It's evident we are so different in this day and age.
     
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    Friends treat, including speaking to each other, with respect. That's not something demonstrated by the current ass hat in office.
     
  20. niploteksi macrumors regular

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    The US has a at least some responsibility for the chaos in the Middle East (which parts of Europe are complicit in). Then you have the nerve to criticize us for taking in refugees from those conflicts. Saying we have ourselves to blame if Islamists terrorize us.

    You cozy up to Russia, like they are the good guys and we are the bad guys. How would you like it if Iran was your bordering country, and we'd start saying what great guys they were and ally us to them instead. Start to spend half the worlds defense budget ourselves, then complain about how you used us and created negative trade deficits because we are "bad". Refuse to come to your aid if Iran attacked you.

    Your president slanders us nearly every day and makes up fake news about our countries. You have both alt medias and main stream media who are on a crusade against us, using any means possible to make us out to be the ignorant bad guys. We are Islamist terrorist Sharia loving snow flakes who let our women be raped in the streets by roving rape gangs and we are a failed experiment in socialism. That you voted for Trump says a lot on how you view us, rather than how we view you.

    No one in Europe would be angry if you suddenly decided to spend less than 2% or your GDP on the military and instead used those money within your own borders, making America great again. We want to trade and we want an ally that sticks up for us if we need help, but we don't need you to save us.
     
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    America will never stop interfering with other countries,especially not oil producing ones. Withouth Arab oil,European ball bearings,and Scandinavia owned truck factories,the United States would not be so great anymore.
     
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    We want you to take your responsibility during elections seriously and put a grown up in the White House. Recognise that science exist and that Climate change is real not something invented by the Chinese. Accept that change happens and that all the great empires eventually come crashing down but there is no need for you to speed up your demise by continuing on the existing path.
    Now if that is not a COVFEFE.
     
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    I think the question is phrased wrong:

    I think the problem is that many Americans, and especially those of the sort that voted for Donald Trump, have woefully outdated and wrongheaded idea of what Europe, and much of the rest of the world is like.

    People like Donald Trump were born and grew up in a world where US power and wealth were simply unequaled. That the US literally fed the world and paid for the reconstruction of Europe after WWII. That US tanks and soldiers were the only thing that kept Stalin's army out of West Germany. And that average Americans lived lives of unimaginable luxury compared to their European counterparts.

    That has all changed. Every bit of it.

    Average Americans don't live better than average Europeans. They might have slightly larger houses, and more junk in their closets. But they eat worse. They get worse medical care (if they get any at all.) They don't get much vacation time, and if they do they rarely use it all. Per capita GDP is higher in the US than in Germany, Britain, and France. But because of growing income inequality in the US, all the extra earning goes to the top 1%. So average Brits live better than average Americans. Per Capita GDP in places like Ireland and Norway is actually higher than it is in the USA.

    American foreign aid doesn't feed the world anymore. It's a rounding error in the budget. And most European countries spend a far higher percent on aid to developing countries.

    And lastly, Europe doesn't need America to keep the Russians out of Berlin anymore. They haven't for the last thirty years. Today's Russia has a GDP roughly equal to Italy. Its population is shrinking.

    So Donald Trump, and the people who keep supporting him, need to understand that Europeans see the world as it actually is.
     
  24. T'hain Esh Kelch, May 31, 2017
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    Short of being an extreme liar, a biggot, an *******, arrogant, unintelligent, narcissistic, racist, unrealistic, and probably a few other things I forgot, I think the general view is described pretty well by other users above. Trump is portraying himself as the lowest kind of person, and he's acting accordingly, so except for his blind followers, it is pretty clear what he has done wrong.
     
  25. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    America has got a president that is the culmination of its society, there's good people in the US and I wish them all the best, but I think its also pretty understable the rest of the world is cringing.
     

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