iPad mini As an iPad Mini owner and supporter, I am absolutely disgusted with the Retina Mini

Discussion in 'iPad' started by Misskitty, Nov 25, 2013.

  1. Misskitty macrumors 6502

    Jun 18, 2010
    Ive been Apples biggest fan of the original mini mainly cause I truly do believe its the perfect size and the most portable tablet today. Ive been looking forward to the rminis release for some time now, primarily for the retina, only to be in shock when I found out that Apple isnt sliding this into the original minis pricing, but $90CDN more! GREEDY!

    I paid $330CDN for my mini the week it came in 2012. Best Buy here is giving gift cards for your ipads and for my 16GB mini, they offered me $210CDN, which I think is more than fair. But no, having to pay an extra $90 on top of the $330 for a new one, that is just wrong. So essentially it would cost me $230 with tax to upgrade to the rmini.

    Now you tell me what is wrong with this pricing. $330CDN vs $420CDN for the 1st and 2nd gen minis in Canada is a complete joke. Thats 21% more for one gen upgrade?

    Now factor in that this week, the 16GB Air was $20 off, making it $499, which made it only $80 more than the 16GB rmini. I compared the two and for $80 more, the Air was a much better value and showed just how overpriced the rmini is. Really its a no brainer. Only $80 to go from the rmini to the Air I think is a steal.

    If Apple wants to jack up the price, the very least they could have done was upgrade the ram to 2GB, then i would see the value. I wont support this business practice as I believe its very greedy and criminal. But Apple doesnt care because people will still buy it, so you know whats going to happen next time? Apple will make this a permanent trend.

    I would make a one time exception if the new screen blew me away, but unfortunately it didnt. When I first saw the rmini, it was a complete dissapointment on so many levels. I was expecting to be wowed like I was with the 3rd gen over the 2nd gen ipad.

    Aside from the infamous yellowing and screen retention (what is this a plasma?), the improvement is very minimul to describe it generously. Screen retention? Gammut problems? Seriously Apple, is this 2001? I put my mini and rmini side by side viewing the exact same text content, and honestly...the only times where you can notice the rminis extra clarity is in portrait mode with super tiny text. View in landscape and its not nearly as apparent. I have very good vision, not 20/20 but very very close to it.

    I did the retention checkerboard test on my rmini and what do you know, I have retention. It takes a good 2 minutes for it to go away with testing done with 35% brighness.

    Icons, menu fonts and text are a tiny bit crisper by the eye on the rmini, but cmon....$230 for this? $100 i would pay yes, $150 maybe, but $230 is a straight out fleecing. This screen just doesnt wow me like the normal size ipad did when it had retina put in. If you are going to jack up the price, at the very least dont cheap out on the parts. Why did Apple put noticably lower grade screens, speakers, in this gen rmini?

    I understand the markup on the original mini wasnt all that high from what I was told compared to the full size ipads. Was the rmini some kind of rebound job? I will say one thing, I also picked up an Air and now that screen floored me and destroys the rminis. Its not even close. Now this is how the minis screen should look. The clarity is unreal on the air. You really notice it with the added screen size. I just dont think with a 7" tab, that you get the maximum benefits from retina. Many reviews have said it that the Air has a much better screen and that the rmini screen didnt wow them.


    The rminis screen improvement over the mini is so miniscule, that even though i much prefer the size of the mini, Im leaning more towards converting to the Air as my ipad and no longer supporting the mini, until Apple puts a high quality screen in there and not something manufactured at Dollarama. I dont want to leave the mini because I truly do believe its the best size tablet today for comfort and portability, but the rmini screen is such a dissapointment and for $230 you might as well go play Blackjack at your casino cause you have a better shot there hitting the jackpot than with the rmini.

    Honestly, its nice to have the A7 in there, but unless you are running 64bit powerhouse games than its really just not needed right now. By the time it will be needed and put to use, 3rd gen mini with 2gb ram will be out. People can say what they want about the A7 quad core CPU, but the fact is, its not needed right now cause its untapped deadweight.

    Speaking of weight, the added weight on the rmini is really unacceptable. The thing is now a brick. My air weighs the same and the weight distribution on the Air is much more balanced in the hands. The mini is so heavy compared to the mini. What a big dissapointment.

    I wont even get into how bad the speakers sound. Apple calls these speakers? Really? For a $420 device, you wouldnt expect to have 99 cent speakers put in them. They are just horrid. I just dont know what Apple was thinking with the rmini, but to me it seems like a rushed and very quickly thought out release. Just seems like not much thought was put in to the rmini and they just mocked up all the details over a 30min lunch break.

    I dont know what to do. I love the mini but after using the Air, i cant see myself going back to my 1st gen mini. It is night and day difference. I might convert to the Air but I will really miss the size of the mini.
  2. mpantone macrumors 6502

    Mar 20, 2009
  3. Misskitty thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 18, 2010
    If it replaced the old mini for the same pricing, Id be ok with it but $420CDN price tag is just unacceptable especially when you factor in the low grade screen. Cnet rated the rmini screen as one of the worst for the 7-8" tabs.
  4. ClutchThese macrumors 65816


    Jun 25, 2010
    Alexandria, VA
    I would love for it to be priced lower too, but that's not going to make a bit of a difference. The new rmini is amazing. I have it and the original mini. This one is WAY better.

    Stop complaining, you sound silly.
  5. mcdj, Nov 25, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2013

    mcdj macrumors G3


    Jul 10, 2007
    Umm, you won't "support this business practice" but you might buy the Air.

    News flash...iPad Mini is not a company. You are supporting Apple, regardless of which iPad you buy.

    And who calls themselves an "iPad Mini supporter"? It's not an advocacy group. It's a slab of glass, chips, and aluminum.

    At one point you call it "my Air". So you bought one? You might buy one?

    This post seems like it was mocked up on a 30 minute lunch break.

    Here's a novel idea. Keep your current Mini. Don't upgrade. You don't like the price. You don't see the benefits. So skip this year. What's the problem?
  6. braddick macrumors 68040


    Jun 28, 2009
    Encinitas, CA
    OP States,

    "Speaking of weight, the added weight on the rmini is really unacceptable. The thing is now a brick."

    The weight of the mini went from 308 g to 331 g.
  7. Gav2k macrumors G3


    Jul 24, 2009
    Oh cummon the op has a point that 23g is like so much!! Lmfao
  8. mcdj macrumors G3


    Jul 10, 2007
    Well, to be fair, you could build a pretty awesome doll house with a few thousand 23 gram bricks.
  9. doboy macrumors 68020

    Jul 6, 2007
    TLDR. It's only $70 more. Get over it or boycott Apple.:rolleyes:
  10. dannynjoni macrumors regular

    Oct 14, 2010
    LOL well I feel better about getting my wife the original mini now. She would care less about the retina anyways. Especially if the colors don't jump out any more than the original. She'll appreciate the light weight more. And she is thankful I saved $300.

    Loved the rant. Classic ;)
  11. dgdosen macrumors 65816


    Dec 13, 2003
    For me, form factor trumps display quality - that's why I don't think I'll ever get a non-mini tablet from Apple again (nor a 'widescreen' tablet from any vendor).

    That doesn't mean consumers, even the vocal users on this forum, should give Apple a pass for using lower-quality displays in the rMini. The way I see it, Apple gambled with Sharp and LG for displays to strategically distance themselves from a hated rival/supplier in Samsung and should rightfully feel some heat for that choice. Especially given their tablets are almost twice the price of a nexus 7.

    It makes me think the current rMini is the iPad 3 of minis and will quickly be replaced.
  12. dannynjoni macrumors regular

    Oct 14, 2010
    I think you are on to something there. rMini2 is going to be the sweet spot IMO. Probably will upgrade the wife's when it comes.
  13. x-evil-x macrumors 68040


    Jul 13, 2008
    I bet you love the resolution of the first 3 iPhones too huh? 3.5" screen. When they added retina to such a small screen was that an upgrade to you? The rmini screen is a huge upgrade. Super fast chip. The mini was old hardware and who wants something that you can't upgrade software in a few years. It was a dog especially with ios7.
    Do you really feel a 70$ difference over a year? I've spent 70$ on a shirt before that's much more appalling.
    Basically it's a full spec iPad in a better more portable package. What was the original mini to you? To me it was pointless to buy old tech and a horrible horrible screen.
  14. anp77 macrumors newbie

    Nov 25, 2013
    Are you serious that you see such a small difference? I went into the store not sure which iPad to get between the two Mini's and the Air, first I went to the Mini with the retina display and then to the first Mini which I looked at for a second and couldn't believe how much worse the screen was. The weight difference is hardly that noticeable, but I guess you have felt some pretty light bricks. If Dollarama is their manufacture then they make some pretty nice screens, if you ask me!
  15. RickTaylor macrumors 6502a

    Nov 9, 2013
    Just because the retina mini display isn't as good as the Air display, I wouldn't necessarily assume that it isn't better than the original mini display. As usual, there's no substitute for looking for oneself. Speaking about my own subjective experience, my retina mini display looked noticeably nicer than my original to me, and not just in respect of its higher resolution. The tones, especially of the white background of a page of text, looked noticeably nicer to me, and I wasn't expecting that at all. Perhaps I just had a substandard original mini and never knew it, or perhaps I was imagining it, but Anand did say, "Compared to the previous generation mini we’re obviously talking about a much better panel."
  16. Misskitty thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 18, 2010
    Here in canada its $90 more, not $70 which is pretty steep if you ask me. Again, its not so much that $90 is the end of the world, but that the principle of jacking up the price, in a trend where its never happened with previous models is shady and all about money.

    One thing that people tend to forget about the mini is that the screen on it was very close to retina quality due to the smaller size of the ipad 2, resulting in a higher pixel count. So thats why the rmini has a very miniscule improvement.

    Im not keeping the mini cause im looking to upgrade the screen. Once i saw the nexus 7, i was shocked what ive been missing for the past year. If any of you have seen the clarity on the nexus 7, it makes the rmini look like an ipad2.

    Rminis screen came in last place vs the kindle and nexus 7. That is unnaceptable considering those are devices 1/2 the price of the rmini.
  17. LJ50 macrumors member

    Jun 3, 2011
    I thought the whole post was a parody to be honest, but others seem to be taking it seriously so perhaps the OP is serious.

    This bit in particular amused me. I'm not sure how anyone could conclude that charging a price for a luxury product - that no-one is compelled to buy - could be described as criminal? "This business practice" is called maximising revenues. If the price goes so high that people don't buy it, adjust downwards. If people pay the high price and demand is still high, adjust upwards. Under what possible definition is that criminal?

    Do I think Apple products are expensive, yep. Do I think they and their products are perfect, nope. However the day I get this upset about their pricing is the day I just won't buy their product. I won't resort of accusations of criminality or immortality.
  18. Señor macrumors 6502


    Jun 20, 2013
    United States
    Are people STILL complaining about overpriced products?

    People rant for a few days, and then go and buy the product being happier than a kid in a candy store with $50.

    Too many threads about these. Someone should just go make a mega-thread for these.

    Can't you just go scream at the sky instead?
  19. raccoonboy macrumors 6502a

    Oct 22, 2012
    In my country, both Air and Rmini are priced higher than last year.

    Mini, of couse, has higher us price 329-399. I will absolutely not gonna buy it. Its smaller screen with high price for just the 16GB. What is it good for? I want big screen for web surfing. Those who bought it just to play game on looks silly to me.

    U can pay less for high quality handheld with couple or more good games at a price on 16G Rmini. And those games could last months or even years.
  20. Señor macrumors 6502


    Jun 20, 2013
    United States
    Okay. Then go buy an iPad Air, then.

    People are all over the rMini because it's still thin and travel-able despite being a tiny tiny bit thicker, up-to date specs, and Retina display.

    The reason it's more expensive is due to Retina display, same being as all the other models.

    Nobody cares about the iPad Air's price, so why are people making a fuss about rMini's?
  21. prism macrumors 6502a

    Dec 6, 2006
    Sorry but this is complete rubbish, despite higher PPI than the ipad 2, the original mini's screen was not even remotely close to retina. It was just as fuzzy as the rest of the non retina displays. The rMini corrected that and despite no change in gamut (which is probably why you much prefer the screen of the air), the screen is clearly an upgrade from the previous gen.
  22. Misskitty thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jun 18, 2010
    Can you post some sites or post links to show where the retina really shines over the mini? Should i mainly be focusing on black text on white?
  23. Daytona 360 macrumors member

    Apr 29, 2010
  24. mcdj macrumors G3


    Jul 10, 2007
    Nexus 7 = 323ppi
    rMini = 326ppi

    Those devices cost 50% of the rMini. They also have 100% less iOS. 100% less iTunes integration. 100% fewer dedicated corporate stores for service/support. They have lower resale value. They have shorter OS upgrade compatibility.

    And if you are comparing a Kindle to an iPad, you are simply not serious about owning a high end tablet.
  25. Dlanod macrumors 6502a

    Jul 11, 2008
    I'd love an rMini if I could get one without a patchy yellow screen or image retention. But I can't.

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