Asia Bibi - a case for asylum

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  1. hawkeye_a macrumors 65816

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    If there ever was a genuine case for asylum and sanctuary, this is it. IMHO

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...g-water-trump-could-save-her-life-with-asylum

    I hope and pray she and her family, and community make it out alive and safe, and I hope the US or Australia can do something to help.

    The safety of Christians and other religious minorities in N.Africa, the middle east and south-east Asia is really debatable when faced with such evil.

    It seems, the “right wing” government of Italy has offered to help...
    https://www.npr.org/2018/11/06/6648...istani-christian-woman-acquitted-of-blasphemy
     
  2. Solomani macrumors 68040

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    Pakistan is a Saudi puppet regime. Both Saudi and Pakistani fundamentalist regimes would love to see her dead. And since Trump is a Saudi puppet…. well…. don't expect too much.
     
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    The npr link suggests that everyone involved in that case effectively has a case for asylum. This includes her attorney and the judges who acquitted her.
     
  4. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    So do you think only christians should be granted asylum?
     
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    I hope not. Thousands of Syrian and Iraqi Muslims were killed at the hands of ISIS for not seeing their religion in the same way ISIS does. While this case smacks of bigotry... it’s the bigotry and not the religion we should be rallying against.
     
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    Inconvenient truth:
    Christian minorities are too Christian for “the left” and too colored/different for the “right”.

    Most other major religious groups have countries which will offer asylum to their kin(eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Magic_Carpet_(Yemen)), Christian minorities have to unfortunately contend with the regressive left, and sometimes opposition from the right as well.

    So where do, specifically, Christian minorities seeking asylum go today? (It appears that, at least, Italy still cares).

    To answer your question... i think “persecuted religious minorities” with nowhere else to go(ie members of a religious faith which does not have a majority in ANY other country) should be given preference over members of the majority(or a faith which is the official religion of other countries).

    So for example during WW2 Jews fleeing Europe should have been given priority/preference over say Christians fleeing Europe.(The State of Israel didn’t yet exist)

    Maybe predominantly Christian countries should be prioritizing Christians for asylum because if they don’t, who will?

    IMHO
     
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    Someone needs to go get that woman and her family.

    Pakistan another one of our "allies" :mad:
     
  8. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    Honduras is predominantly Christian country, the people there are in danger from gangs and political unrest.
    So we should let the cravan in?

    Honsuras stats are here.
    All of Latin America stats.
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    I too think that, at least, an individual like Asia Bibi should be offered asylum somewhere, if not US.

    Unfortunately history has many, many, many examples of no help provided to persecuted due to domestic resistance.
    Rhohingi Muslims are have not been offered asylum in any Muslim country.
    Palestinians are more and more isolated despite being Muslim.
    Minor Christian secs (Coptic in Syria for instance) are not offered asylum in Christian counteries.
    Ever hear about the Voyage of the Dammed? 900 Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, ended up being sent back to Germany, by America!

    And what I posted above.
     
  9. hawkeye_a, Nov 7, 2018
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    Are they fleeing religious/racial persecution? No

    Are they part of the ehthic/religious majority? Yes

    So what do you think?

    What you are suggesting amounts to:
    -anyone who belongs to a political group which looses power should get asylum.
    -anyone who is the victim of crime should get asylum.

    Regarding the Rohindya, Bangladesh should be offering them asylum. If they arent, maybe that should be open to discussion?
    Palestineans, the Arab states should be offering them asylum. (The Christians should be prioritized to relocate to “Christian countries”, after what we see happening to Christian communities in the region).

    And yes, i am well aware of Jews being turned away during/after WW2. That should never happen when a persecuted group has no country.

    Inorder to make that happen realistically, asylum should, IMHO, be restricted to prioritize those kinds of cases(at least in the west), not politics/poverty/crime like you suggest. IMHO
     
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    The structure of your first statements are vague, missed the point of argument.

    Now I understand, and is a sound idea.

    Syria tests that idea.
    Syrians are mix of Shiate and Sunni, yet the war created many factions of minor ethnic groups, per your idea they should have been offered refuge in either Saudi or Iran.
    Although based as Muslim, they are practically 2 different religions in that region.
     
  11. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    So christians fleeing christian countries due to their orientation, wouldn't count..... got it.

    Secular countries should be offering asylum to people based on their individual circumstances, not because of their religion or their skin colour.
     
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    It doesn't tend to be more civil when the weird fundamentalists practice any other religion. The problem is that you can't argue with people committed to some wacky deity, because they can always claim said wacky deity's directives trump your own (pun intended).
     
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    Now that this poor christian woman has been saved from the muslims, can we now save the muslims from the buddists in Myanmar?

    Or is that just not something one can identify with?
     
  15. hawkeye_a thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Pakistan should offer them refuge.
     

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