At FDA, TVs now turned to Fox News and can't be switched

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  1. turbineseaplane macrumors 601

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  2. IWantItThatWay Suspended

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    Gotta problem with the freedom of the press?
     
  3. turbineseaplane thread starter macrumors 601

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    Freedom of the press?
    You may want to read the article again - has nothing to do with that.
     
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    Russia also has freedom of press.

    Seriously.
     
  5. IWantItThatWay Suspended

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    No wonder Obama was so pro-Russia during his Presidency.
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    TBF I would've banned Washington Post for their Vermont power grid lie (though I know they're not "TV") and NBC for the wiretapping lie. Trump is a little too nice. ABC as well.
     
  6. RichardMZhlubb Contributor

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    You appear not to understand the definition of the word “lie.”
     
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    Also, Nicolle Wallace of MSNBC just suggested Sanders should be "choked:"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ce-words-suggesting-Sarah-Sanders-CHOKED.html

    Jeez, I wonder why Trump thinks the media/Establishment is after him?!?!?!
     
  8. bradl macrumors 68040

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    This has nothing to do with the 1A as you are claiming it. The rights of the press are not being infringed here. If anything, this has everything to do with the government forcing those working at the FDA that this is the only news outlet you can watch. That is restricting the rights of the people.

    BL.
     
  9. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    Projection. You know Trump does, so counter with what he’s accused of.

    Trump and his supporters have been playing this obvious game for a long time.
     
  10. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    At least they get varied news, not a continual panel discussion of Russian or Porn Star Collusion.
     
  11. turbineseaplane, May 12, 2018
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    Oh yes - just a lovely rotisserie of complete hack interviews interlaced with endless lies, exaggerations or an occasional piece on, somehow still, Hillary

    Fox shouldn't be allowed to even use the word "news" after its name.
     
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    And what about the over 3000 documented lies that Trump has told?
     
  13. tkermit macrumors 68040

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    ok, that's pretty funny.

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  14. IWantItThatWay Suspended

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    Whataboutism.
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    Their media also told them that Trump is going to make things worse in North Korea and that the North Korean prisoners would never be released.
     
  15. tkermit macrumors 68040

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    David Brooks recently wrote an opinion piece on that in which he comes up with a somewhat plausible explanation for Trump's possible success in that area (let's hope so anyway). You may or may not agree with his assessment. Would be interesting to find out what you think about it:

    Donald Trump’s Lizard Wisdom
     
  16. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    That wasn’t an example of “whataboutism”....
     
  17. IWantItThatWay Suspended

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    He literally said "And what about the over 3000 documented lies that Trump has told?"

    What's up with liberals and rewriting history/twisting things? This is extremely common and scary.
     
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    “Whataboutism” isn’t simply saying the words “what about”.

    So, you may be scared, but that fear would be alleviated if you knew what “whataboutism” meant.

    In fact, while not an exact example, your response to that post was closer to an example of whataboutism than what mac_in_tosh asked.
     
  19. IWantItThatWay, May 12, 2018
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    Weren't you the guy that said a video of Obama insulting Special Olympians wasn't really insulting? Seems you change your definitions depending on politics.

    As for the definition of Whataboutism:

    His "WHAT ABOUT Trump's 3,000 'documented lies'" doesn't refute or disprove my argument (that the media are liars and viciously anti-Trump). If it does, care to tell me how?
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    I loathe David Brooks so I made sure to archive that before reading haha.

    But David is finally figuring out what Trump supporters have known for years already: Trump is brutal. And to deal with brutal people, you have to be equally brutal.

    And he's right - the world isn't based on your SAT score. That's why so many "experts" have been wrong about Trump time and time again.

    For example, one of the funniest examples of this is back when Trump was starting to win a lot of states in the primaries, the prevalent wisdom was that Trump is only getting 30% of the registered Republican vote. And since registered Republicans only make up about 30% of the electorate, "only" 10% of the electorate was voting for Trump.

    Because of this, Trump's ceiling was very low in the general election. Hell, his ceiling was supposed to be only 25-30% in the GOP primaries!

    Everything checks out - the math, the statement, the facts, except one thing - it ignores the X factor. It ignores how REAL people behave. It ignores people aren't robots you can put in a code and then get something in return. There aren't magical formulas.

    In the real world, people work differently.

    Another example is how Trump treated North Korea. North Korean Generals were LITERALLY asking American officials "Is Trump for real? What is Trump about?" They were CONFUSED. They had no idea what Trump was about. Kim Jong-Un was used to American Presidents cowering or kicking the can down the road. Kim said "We got a button" and you know what Trump said? Cool story bro, but mine's bigger!

    Kim is a psychopath. Trump is also a psychopath. THAT'S how you deal with thugs like Kim.

    The problem with "intellectuals" is they don't understand human behavior isn't 1 + 1 = 2. There are many more factors that go into it.

    Another good example is Steve Jobs. Microsoft, RIM, Nokia, and other companies were so enamored with listing feature after feature that they forgot people don't care about that stuff! Remember when everyone said the iPhone would fail because it didn't have cut and paste or a physical keyboard? Remember when Nokia fanboys would list their 30430403 features their phone had that the iPhone didn't?

    It didn't matter at all. And Steve knew this. Steve knew that human behavior isn't a formula. People want EASE of use. They want BEAUTY. They want PORTABILITY. They want it to just WORK. On the other hand, "experts" with 8 different degrees from 27 different schools each couldn't figure it out. Steve Jobs couldn't write much code or engineer, but if anything that HELPED him more. Because engineers restrict themselves to simple formulas and the 1 + 1 = 2 paradigm.

    It's the same here with politics. "Experts" are still obsessed with the old paradigm and not realizing there's been a paradigm shift.

    So in a way Brooks is FINALLY starting to get it, about 3 years too late but better late than never.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politics/north-korea-trump-republicans-outreach/index.html

     
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    CNN was probably on before, so it's not like the news choice wasnt biased before. CNN/MSNBC were Obamas's lap dogs.
     
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    This story seemed familiar. So checking the article's dateline, I see it's slightly more than a year old: early May 2017.

    Which mainly makes me wonder if there are any updates, or if the "now" in the headline is still the now we have now.
     
  23. tkermit, May 12, 2018
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    Thanks for the long reply – appreciate your point of view! I had thought the piece would be at least somewhat up your alley. I don't even necessarily disagree with some of what you're saying. But how can you possibly be fine with having an – in your own words – brutal psychopath as your president? That's the part I don't get. I mean, sure, the leaders of NK are probably somewhat confused if not disturbed by his behavior, but then again, so is everybody else.
     
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    Ever heard the term "nice guys finish last?" Well to me, that's not a dating term - to me, it's a term about life. Nice guys don't get anything done and are weak.

    To be successful and to get things done, you gotta be brutal. I don't like it, but that's how it is. I honestly think while unintentional soft people enable bad people to do bad.

    One of the things that attracted me to Trump was how real he was about bad people. The families of terrorists comment for example was something I've been waiting to hear for a LONG time. It's brutal, but effective.

    You don't want wimp who gets pushed over running things right?

    Let me tell you a story of the Soviet Union. About 30 years ago Iranian terrorists kidnapped about 4 Russian diplomats. In response, you know what Russia did? They kidnapped the main terrorist guy's brother, chopped him up into little pieces, and started to send them to the terrorist group. There was a note that said "This is your brother. Next its your (other family member)."

    The diplomats were immediately freed.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-07/news/mn-13892_1_soviets

    People like Kim Jong-Un and ISIS terrorists take advantage of nice guys. So when someone like Trump comes along they get confused as well.

    This is actually where my "Leftism is a superior ideology but Rightism is about reality." I would LOVE for hugs and kisses to be enough to stop crazy dictators/terrorists. I would LOVE peaceful negotiations and for everyone to live happily ever after. But that is not reality, and in the real world brutality exists.
     
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    Right you are. But not only that and perhaps more importantly, the whole thing may be a bit of a crock. There was an update to the article. Now it sounds like the FDA says the administration did not send instructions to leave TVs at Fox News only; that a supervisor of a particular group at FDA just claimed that in a memo to his group!?!

    In the words of GWBush supposedly uttered after Trump's inaugural speech, "that's some weird **** there."
     

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