At size 4, model Coco Rocha is latest of many women considered fat by the industry

anjinha

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This is ridiculous! :mad:

So it's come to this.

After all the hype, promises and international outcry, fashion's still calling normal girls fat.

Coco Rocha is the latest victim of fashion's irresponsible, unattainable demand that young women - some barely into their teens - be emaciated.

The 21-year-old top model, an outspoken advocate for industry reform, told The New York Times that demand for her services has waned, thanks to an occasional hamburger habit.

Sunday, she modeled for Diane von Furstenberg. Monday, she walked in Zac Posen's show.

Look at the pictures.

She's a size 4 - and she's gorgeous.

Gemma Ward, an Australian who quit the business last year, got attention recently for chunked-up pictures (read: she's got thighs) that circulated online. One blogger suggested she could get work in the plus-size biz.

Compare these women with the models getting all the bookings - stick figures with jutting collarbones, thighs the size of their ankles and not a whisper of a womanly curve.

They're following in the footsteps of waifs like Kate Moss, who recently gave us her words of wisdom: "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels."

It didn't feel good for Ana Carolina Reston, the 88-pound Brazilian who died in 2006 of complications from anorexia.

Don't feel sorry for the models: They live in a country where there's access to food, and are actively starving themselves to make money. They're making a choice.

Crystal Renn, a size-12 model who spent the early part of her career starving herself, says she was chasing a dream.

"No one chained me to a treadmill; no one forced me to starve," she told the Daily News. "I made those decisions to reach for the standards that were set for me."

Want to throw blame? Look straight at the people who are paying them.

Last week, the Council of Fashion Designers of America threw a symposium where designers, models and editors discussed raising the "sample size," the industry standard set for runway and magazine photo shoots, to a size 4.

Right now, it's a zero.

Designers and agents alike know that they're setting the bar for boniness - and that it's set pretty high.

Stunner Doutzen Kroes was at that panel and told The Associated Press she doesn't do shows because she doesn't fit into the sample size.

So she joined Victoria's Secret's brigade of sexy girls. "I eat and I am happy," she said. "I want a healthy lifestyle, and I hope other models can have choices like that."

Rocha spoke out at the event, too, saying, "It took a while to grow the confidence to say, 'This is who I am, take it or leave it.'"

And fashion, she has now revealed, decided to leave it.

Two years ago, at the first of these useless events, she admitted that when she was at her thinnest - just 108 pounds (she's 5-feet-10) - someone told her to lose weight.

So she did, and made herself ill with diuretic pills taken on an empty stomach. She vowed never to do it again - and made a plea then to the people present at the dog-and-pony show to make a change.

It was a cry for help.

And no one has listened.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2010/02/16/2010-02-16_sick_world_where_size_4_is_too_fat.html#ixzz0fioRgnqa
 

splitpea

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The fashion industry is completely ****ed.

It's also revealing that the Victoria's Secret models, who are generally considered to be incredibly sexy, are several sizes larger than runway models.

If the fashion industry is so desperate to have their women shaped like clothes hangers (and who wants to buy clothing that only looks good on a hanger?), maybe they should hire roboticists instead of models.

Also worth reading...
 

niuniu

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There are plenty of jobs in modelling going for women of all sizes, maybe not in runway or for the top designers, but then, not every industry has open access to all sorts of people at all levels anyway. That's life, and there are more important things to worry about that some skinny girl who isn't skinny enough to spend her weekends snorting coke with other superficial socialites.
 

splitpea

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That's life, and there are more important things to worry about that some skinny girl who isn't skinny enough to spend her weekends snorting coke with other superficial socialites.
There are two concerns that I think are worth our attention: 1) models dying because they starve themselves so severely; 2) girls who emulate them and have body image/self esteem problems or even become dangerously anorexic attempting to live up to an impossible "ideal".

It's possible that there's a solution to #2 other than preventing fashion designers from insisting on emaciated models; but #1 is directly related to that aspect of the industry and won't go away until that culture changes.
 

niuniu

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There are two concerns that I think are worth our attention: 1) models dying because they starve themselves so severely; 2) girls who emulate them and have body image/self esteem problems or even become dangerously anorexic attempting to live up to an impossible "ideal".
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1. Hardly an epidemic. How many models have actually died in the history of the world because of dieting? 2? You know they take a lot of drugs at parties too right? And it's their own choice, no-one's starving them, unlike people in the world which starve because they have no food.

2. Girls make lots of mistakes then they grow into women and get a job, married and wise up for the vast majority. And when I walk down the street I don't see scores of skinny waifs fainting due to hunger. Quite the opposite, too many women are overweight.
 

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There are two concerns that I think are worth our attention: 1) models dying because they starve themselves so severely; 2) girls who emulate them and have body image/self esteem problems or even become dangerously anorexic attempting to live up to an impossible "ideal".

It's possible that there's a solution to #2 other than preventing fashion designers from insisting on emaciated models; but #1 is directly related to that aspect of the industry and won't go away until that culture changes.
When I see the huge numbers of people in the west dying of obesity - girls obviously included .......... I see that the biggest problem is not with skinny, but the opposite.

Sorry but the real problem is not with a few underweight models, but the millions of morbidly obese.
 

Rodimus Prime

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When I see the huge numbers of people in the west dying of obesity - girls obviously included .......... I see that the biggest problem is not with skinny, but the opposite.

Sorry but the real problem is not with a few underweight models, but the millions of morbidly obese.
the flip side you get is you have so many people who believe that the impossible for skinny view that they do not want to try to loss weight because what is considered thin is impossible for them to ever even get remotely closed to.

There needs to be pressure put on the industry to make its models closer to the normal healthy size for people.
Besides men like there women to have a little meat on them.
 

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the flip side you get is you have so many people who believe that the impossible for skinny view that they do not want to try to loss weight because what is considered thin is impossible for them to ever even get remotely closed to.

There needs to be pressure put on the industry to make its models closer to the normal healthy size for people.
Besides men like there women to have a little meat on them.
So fat people get/stay fat because they can't get thin ..... interesting theory.

As for a normal weight - I'll let my wife know that as a size zero she isn't normal. She doesn't starve herself - eats more than me but remains small.

I guess it depends on what you call normal.
 

Rodimus Prime

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So fat people get/stay fat because they can't get thin ..... interesting theory.

As for a normal weight - I'll let my wife know that as a size zero she isn't normal. She doesn't starve herself - eats more than me but remains small.

I guess it depends on what you call normal.
No what I sad was a lot of fat people do not bother trying to get thin because they can not get to what fashion says is thin.

It is a that lovely downward spirl people get into. They try but can not get there so they give up and gain more weight and it goes round and round.

It needs to be pushed that it is not healthy and the fashion industry needs to shape up and start pushing that fact and push more normal sizes weight and thinnest for the models
 

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I do'nt like how girls think they have to weight 90 lbs to be sexy. My gf is 115 lbs 5'1" tall and she think she's fat. We are Chinese and most Chinese girls with 90 lbs and they think they are fat. :rolleyes:
 

splitpea

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I guess I've known too many girls who struggled with anorexia, including one who had to be hospitalized for it.

And no, not every size 0 is unhealthy, especially if she's under 5'2" or so. I even knew a girl with a metabolic disorder who *couldn't* put on weight.

But 5'10" and size 0 is unhealthy 99 times out of 100. Skinny enough that you can see her ribs through a swimsuit is unhealthy. Looks like the child of an African famine or a concentration camp survivor is unhealthy. Yet this is being promoted as an ideal.

If the ideal were set as something attainable (look at the larger woman in the link I posted above) then yes, I think girls who struggle with overweight would see it as more easily within their reach and more worth the effort to accomplish.

Just as importantly, I think that we'd have fewer general body image and self-esteem problems among girls.
 

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Never understood the appeal of this "catwalk" model business at all, nor am I able to recognise a size 0 from a size 4... looking at the photos of Coco Rocha in that article, she still looks as thin as anyone should be allowed to be!

I do think though that designers are looking for something else in their models and that they seem to consider tall, slender figures to be elegant and portray their designs in a better light... but sexy they most certainly are not.

If anything it's getting spooky, models are starting to look like characters from a Tim Burton movie...
 

Rodimus Prime

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This is dangerously close to blaming the fashion industry for the fact that people are fat - I guess we both know its far more complicated than that.
I do not blame the fashion industry for it but they sure as hell do not help matters at all. If anything they add to the problem.
 

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No way, I want my women to look like they were just released from a german concentration camp from the 1940's! :rolleyes:
Yes, concentration camps.............. concentrated with potential runway models!



I think the argument that girls look at runway models and consequently strive to be as skinny as they are to be really weak, and actually, quite ridiculous and insulting to most women. :rolleyes:

Most girls who wish they looked like models are usually referring to Victoria Secret models or/and SI Swimsuit models, and they're probably around a size 4. Girls/women are probably not referring to fashion models. In fact, the only ones I know off the top of my head is Kate Moss, and only because she's ****ed.

If it really is a problem that girls are striving to be size 0s because of the types of girls they see on runways, then I don't believe it. Most girls would be "starving" themselves to be Size 4. Yes, for some girls, becoming a size 4 would still be unachievable, and based on some of the arguments thrown around so far, the size 4 models are a bigger cause of health issues in normal girls than runway models. :confused:

Should we raise the average size of a VS or SI Swimsuit model to a Size 6 or 8 because it's more attainable? Nope. Sorry, but they're models because they're more attractive than the large majority of normal girls, even in the eyes of other normal girls. It's not attainable for most women because you can't really have most women be in that top 0.1%. It's like IQ, pro sports, Olympic athletes, etc.
 

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Most girls who wish they looked like models are usually referring to Victoria Secret models or/and SI Swimsuit models, and they're probably around a size 4. Girls/women are probably not referring to fashion models. In fact, the only ones I know off the top of my head is Kate Moss, and only because she's ****ed.
Not necessarily. You'd be surprised to see how many girls look at pictures of VS models and think they are fat.

Should we raise the average size of a VS or SI Swimsuit model to a Size 6 or 8 because it's more attainable? Nope. Sorry, but they're models because they're more attractive than the large majority of normal girls, even in the eyes of other normal girls. It's not attainable for most women because you can't really have most women be in that top 0.1%. It's like IQ, pro sports, Olympic athletes, etc.
No one is debating that VS models are too skinny or that they should be bigger. The issue is the size 0/sickly thin runway models that are the "standard" by the fashion industry. The article I posted in the OP refers to a size 4 model that because of her size has trouble finding work. While I understand and agree that models aren't supposed to be "normal women" they shouldn't have to starve themselves and be unhealthily thin but that's exactly what the industry demands of them.
 

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She looked at fashion runway models as a teenager and wished she looked like them and modelled clothes. Then she attempted to look like the same people she idolised, failed, and blames the industry for hiring women that are too thin? Fashion modelling has always preferred women with less curves so that their figures don't draw people's focus away from the clothes.

A small percentage of people are actually stick-thin like that and perfectly healthy. While beautiful and skinny, the model in the article isn't one of those people who are naturally stick-thin. If so, then perhaps she's not suited for the job. :confused: I knew several girls who were all naturally VERY thin. One of them told me that she constantly had to tell people that it's her natural physique, and she's not starving.

My point is that not EVERY job in the world can be attainable by all. It's not that the model in the article wasn't beautiful or skinny. She's both. She just doesn't have the physique that the fashion industry wants. Like most people, I don't understand the mindset of the fashion industry, but the view they should have is not up to us to decide. They decided on what they want, and there are girls who can fill that role due to their natural physique. Some girls are NOT naturally like that, but try to force the issue by going on crazy diets. These are the girls who get into trouble.

Sorry. Life isn't perfect. She may be pretty, but there's no point trying to force a square peg into a circular hole.
 

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There needs to be pressure put on the industry to make its models closer to the normal healthy size for people.
Besides men like there women to have a little meat on them.
Ah, but you forget. Men don't buy women's cloths. All those pictures of thin women are targeted to other women who shop.

So it don't matter what men like to look at. men rarely see those photos.