I ventured into an ATT store front in CA to inquire about going from the iPhone 4s to the 5. It was interesting to note that they would buy/trade-in my 4s and give me 200 dollars. However, while they offer the 2-year contract discount they also tack on the tax at the full retail price. In this, the trade in is pretty much a pathetic deal with ATT. The guy at the store was very decent and admitted it wasn't truly a "deal" but simply a path to get to the next model and that in my shoes, he would wait until a real deal came out when the 5s/6 comes out and that this tax on full retail is something ATT does in CA/NV. Anyone else had similar experiences? Btw, the one good thing is he said that ATT would still allow me to continue my grandfathered no limits contract.