Attorney General Bill Barr warns of secularists and their organized destruction of traditional values

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I believe the below was from his speech at Notre Dame. What he‘s saying is definitely shared by a segment of the population (and Trump base). Still I’m not sure what this has to do with being attorney general. Unless he’s auditioning to take Pence’s place on the ticket (or to be the VP if Trump is impeached)? Also Barr was on the board of directors of Time Warner. I wonder if he ever shared these concerns while on the board?

 

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I just love the phrase “Traditional Values”. What does it mean? Invasion, subjugation, genocide, Witch trials, robber barons, warmongers, and now a corrupt geriatric popinjay with no discernible values at all.
I always thought that was just 'code' for anyone NOT sharing the same exact values as they do. As if that was somehow shameful. 🤨
 

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I believe the below was from his speech at Notre Dame. What he‘s saying is definitely shared by a segment of the population (and Trump base). Still I’m not sure what this has to do with being attorney general. Unless he’s auditioning to take Pence’s place on the ticket (or to be the VP if Trump is impeached)? Also Barr was on the board of directors of Time Warner. I wonder if he ever shared these concerns while on the board?
Nobody tell him that his boss is a serial philandering draft dodging sexual abuser and TV game show host with a documented history of sleeping with and paying off porn stars and a lengthy record of discriminating against and insulting minorities.
 

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I just love the phrase “Traditional Values”. What does it mean? Invasion, subjugation, genocide, Witch trials, robber barons, warmongers, and now a corrupt geriatric popinjay with no discernible values at all.
Well really, who doesn't like a nice traditional witch trial. Or since we've advanced from the days of superstition, at least a nice scientific witch weigh-in.
 
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I believe the below was from his speech at Notre Dame. What he‘s saying is definitely shared by a segment of the population (and Trump base). Still I’m not sure what this has to do with being attorney general...

Good lord.

Sounds like the only reason Trump made Bill Barr the attorney general was because Jerry Falwell is dead and unavailable.
 

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I believe the below was from his speech at Notre Dame. What he‘s saying is definitely shared by a segment of the population (and Trump base). Still I’m not sure what this has to do with being attorney general. Unless he’s auditioning to take Pence’s place on the ticket (or to be the VP if Trump is impeached)? Also Barr was on the board of directors of Time Warner. I wonder if he ever shared these concerns while on the board?

I don't mind hearing preaching from say…. the president's personal pastor.


But this is religious conviction-talk coming from…. the highest Law Official of the USA?!! The Attorney General. The highest-ranking attorney of the USA. The supreme lawyer of lawyers. It's his Constitutional duty (as with all federal attorneys and judges) to be as fair and impartial and objective as much as possible….. and instead he's Bible-thumping?! WTF!
 

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Nobody tell him that his boss is a serial philandering draft dodging sexual abuser and TV game show host with a documented history of sleeping with and paying off porn stars and a lengthy record of discriminating against and insulting minorities.
I keep thinking during Trump's presidency that I've dozed off while reading one or the other of Lewis Carroll's "Alice"-related novels and somehow woke up still sort of disoriented. The gaslighting by this administration is just unparalleled, even in the worlds of classical satire, deliberate propaganda and the odd collector's copy of any of the most sincere issues of Mad Magazine.

And then there's Barr, who's possibly not even gaslighting, since he may just be talking to a bunch of true believers. I don't know what he's doing, exactly. Half-projecting, in a language learned while looking in a mirror? It should be illegal though, for the slot he's in. Consider the quote of his words in that tweet:

"This is not decay. This is organized destruction. Secularists and their allies have marshaled all the forces of mass communication, popular culture, the entertainment industry, and academia in an unremitting assault on religion & traditional values."​
Well Mister Attorney General Barr, sir: "organized destruction" is more like what your boss Trump only aspires to (if we are to believe he has not completely discarded the precepts whispered into his ear by Steve Bannon) yet he achieves mere chaos instead, and in these days it threatens to engulf his high office and all who work for him.

And still Trump persists in complicating his and their future by celebrating the idea of destruction. If I believed in devils personified, I'd give him an 8 out of 10 some days. Other times I think he's just incredibly incompetent. A bull not in a china shop but in the street. With nukes. Mass communication, popular culture... these are the toolbox of the reality TV showman, Mr. Barr: behold your Boss Trump, the entertainer.

Moving on to academia... yah, there's a sticking point. The ivory tower dudes, the eggheads? So annoying that in academia there are still all these scientists, philosophers, historians, geographers... uppity experts who can find Syria on a blank outline map of the planet and inform any fool that despite its troubles, Syria is a sovereign nation and Turkey had insufficient justification to invade and to blow the lives of innocents to hell while seeking to shore up domestic support at home.

As to secularism, Mr. Barr: that is not synonymous with immorality nor with "an unremitting assault on religion and traditional values."

Don't make me laugh. The Republicans have long since left in the dust the best of their "traditional values" -- fiscal prudence, anyone?-- and struggle instead to retain the ones the rest of the country has been trying to ditch since at least the 1950s... white supremacy, patriarchal definitions of rights and privileges... and the Republican Party's assault on true religious freedom is soul-sickening in its denominational bias and in its perversion of spiritual values bent to a focus on the material and political realms.​

Surprise, surprise, secular citizens are as able as anyone else to possess moral values and high character, perhaps especially in comparison to some of the slithery creatures in Trump's inner circle.

Look in the mirror, Mr. Barr. Ask yourself how and when you got lost. Pray for an epiphany while there's still time. The nation might be counting on you, more's the pity.
 
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I believe the below was from his speech at Notre Dame. What he‘s saying is definitely shared by a segment of the population (and Trump base). Still I’m not sure what this has to do with being attorney general. Unless he’s auditioning to take Pence’s place on the ticket (or to be the VP if Trump is impeached)? Also Barr was on the board of directors of Time Warner. I wonder if he ever shared these concerns while on the board?

Just how unrighteousness can you be and still consider yourself righteous with a straight face? 🤥🤔 If you ever want a reason to be critical of religion, it’s when blatant hypocrisy on the pulpit is passed off as something Holy and not holey by the koolaid sippers who don’t run the blasphemer right out of town. They might have some unexpected lightning bolts headed their way if they actually believe in divine judgement. 🙄
 
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Just how unrighteousness can you be and still consider yourself righteous with a straight face? 🤥🤔 If you ever want a reason to be critical of religion, it’s when blatant hypocrisy on the pulpit is passed off as something Holy and not holey by the koolaid sippers who don’t run the blasphemer right out of town. They might have some unexpected lightning bolts headed their way if they actually believe in divine judgement. 🙄
I do think some of the evangelical "leaders" who are knee deep in rationalization for their support of Trump are probably conflicted about how far they've gone, whether that's too far, and how the heck to extricate themselves without giving up the possibility of further political gains for their religious views.

It starts to seem like a long term extension of the proverbial scenario about the frog in the pot of water on the stove... the promotion by some evangelicals of conservative politics from the pulpit has been slowly moving the temperature up past the simmer point for at least 30 years.

The problems are starting to mount up though. Some students at Liberty University were recently protesting that the focus of the school now does makes it seem more like a real estate hedge fund these days rather than anything truly resembling a religious seminary. This after an aggressively reported Politico article had outlined some of the reasons one might think so.. it was an 8,000 word piece titled


Interestingly, Falwell Jr. tried to thread the needle after the report and the protests and counterprotests at the school:


Falwell praised students regardless of their positions on the matter, saying that the ones “who had concerns and the ones who supported me were both respectful and … Christ-like in their behavior. Our students are an example the world can learn from!”

Not sure if Falwell's hedging out of concerns for the continued viability of the school, or because the veils of the past 20 years or so have suddenly been stripped from his eyes and he's hedging because God actually might be watching. All good though: now the students at Liberty are at least more wide awake to the possibilities and dangers of mixing too closely what is Caesar's and what is not.
 

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Weren’t the founding fathers secularists who opposed traditional values?
LOL! You want Trump lackeys getting out in the weeds of the pre-Constitution debates?

These are guys who just went 0-5 in district courts on three of their proposals...

 

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I don't mind hearing preaching from say…. the president's personal pastor.


But this is religious conviction-talk coming from…. the highest Law Official of the USA?!! The Attorney General. The highest-ranking attorney of the USA. The supreme lawyer of lawyers. It's his Constitutional duty (as with all federal attorneys and judges) to be as fair and impartial and objective as much as possible….. and instead he's Bible-thumping?! WTF!
I am as aghast as you are. In almost any other administration, this speech would be a fireable offense. Its pandering to the so-called religious right makes it partisan as hell, and therefore incompatible with the job.

Of course, nothing will happen. Rather than trying to exemplify the morals Barr talks about, the GOP has become more openly dishonest and crooked with each passing year. You can't even say of it, that it's hiding in plain sight anymore. It's not hiding at all. It's right there.
 

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I do think some of the evangelical "leaders" who are knee deep in rationalization for their support of Trump are probably conflicted about how far they've gone, whether that's too far, and how the heck to extricate themselves without giving up the possibility of further political gains for their religious views.

It starts to seem like a long term extension of the proverbial scenario about the frog in the pot of water on the stove... the promotion by some evangelicals of conservative politics from the pulpit has been slowly moving the temperature up past the simmer point for at least 30 years.

The problems are starting to mount up though. Some students at Liberty University were recently protesting that the focus of the school now does makes it seem more like a real estate hedge fund these days rather than anything truly resembling a religious seminary. This after an aggressively reported Politico article had outlined some of the reasons one might think so.. it was an 8,000 word piece titled


Interestingly, Falwell Jr. tried to thread the needle after the report and the protests and counterprotests at the school:


Falwell praised students regardless of their positions on the matter, saying that the ones “who had concerns and the ones who supported me were both respectful and … Christ-like in their behavior. Our students are an example the world can learn from!”

Not sure if Falwell's hedging out of concerns for the continued viability of the school, or because the veils of the past 20 years or so have suddenly been stripped from his eyes and he's hedging because God actually might be watching. All good though: now the students at Liberty are at least more wide awake to the possibilities and dangers of mixing too closely what is Caesar's and what is not.
Nice observation about evangelists selling their souls.

Regarding Barr there is something wrong when the US Attorney General top law enforcement position of this Great Secular Nation spreads conspiracy theories about the “secular movement” seeking to undermind our morality, and this guy is the slobbering lap dog for the country’s biggest, most immoral crook. Is he kidding?? Throw the bum out! Kool-aid, no sale... 👹
 
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To Barr, values=opus dei. To the rest of us opus dei=sharia for Christianity.

Here in the US we have a defined separation of church and state, yet over and over these politicians audition for state or national clergy. There is no such thing!
 

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To Barr, values=opus dei. To the rest of us opus dei=sharia for Christianity.

Here in the US we have a defined separation of church and state, yet over and over these politicians audition for state or national clergy. There is no such thing!
Honestly I ask if someone like this in the position he holds has lost their mind when they make a speech like this. There is a clear agenda, political/personal, selfish advantage that appears to attack the separation of Church and State in an effort to force their religious values down other’s throats while fertilizing political support from evangicals. Maybe he does not cherish the Constitution so much while harping about liberals undermining the Constitution.

While acknowledging that the Constitution is subject to change, it is astonishing how often it is under attack for its secularity, from people who don’t understand the concept of freedom of religion, freedom from religion. There is a fundamental misunderstanding when freedom of religion only encapsulates personal benefit to support my Christianity.

You want a manger scene in town square? You’ll have to allow the Pagan or even Satanic displays too. And absolutely not, religious freedom does not make you exempt from any law you disagree with based on your personal religious beliefs. It’s the single most ridiculous standard being peddled by conservative self serving Christians.
 
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You know what would be nice, is if the religious folks in this country would keep their religion to themselves (ie...in their church and their homes) and the secular folks (mainly those on the left) would stop going after religious people for believing in and adhering to their faith. Both sides need to let people live and let live.
 

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You know what would be nice, is if the religious folks in this country would keep their religion to themselves (ie...in their church and their homes) and the secular folks (mainly those on the left) would stop going after religious people for believing in and adhering to their faith. Both sides need to let people live and let live.
That would be nice. Bit of a difference though as you don’t see secularists forcing their beliefs into legislation and government policy where it doesn’t belong.

If Barr wants to live in a religious theocracy there are many to choose from around the globe.