Austria Supreme Court Rules Employers Can Fire Those Who Wear A Veil

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    Not sure how this would go down in the US, freedom of religion and all, but I guess freedom of religion does have limits. You can't marry more than one person at a time, even if your religion permits it, so there's that.
     
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    Shocking news. A European nation that actually has a pair. Such a rarity.
     
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    Yes, such a rarity.

     
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    Don't let facts get in the way of uninformed surprise though, will you?
     
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    Curious what your stand is regarding freedom of religion?
     
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    As our courts have recently shown, freedom of religion isn't absolute. If a Christian baker can be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, why can't an employer require that an employee's face be visible.
     
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    That's one way to frame it. I'll point out that we have anti-discrimination laws based on general categories (sex, sexual orientation, gender, religion, race) and that freedom of religion is only worshipping which God you fantasize about, not discriminating against others based on your religion.

    The question might be why prohibit veils? For security concerns, maybe. How do you feel about bakers baking cakes for gays and veils?

    Regarding religious veils, I'll say there are times such as going through a security check point where you will have to show your face to someone. I'll also observe we have millions of Muslims living in this country and see lots of Muslim out and about (at least I assume they are Muslim) and Muslim employees at the Minneapolis Airport and none of them wear veils. I don't know if this is mandated by their employers or they just don't feel the need to conform to this sexist religious dress standard or maybe they want to fit in... I don't know.
     
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    Why shouldn't employers be allowed to do that? She was already allowed to wear an Islamic overgarment and a headscarf. How much more accommodation does the employer need to make?
     
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    Are you implying that the choice to wear a headscarf is already an insolence, a breach of the due regard which a subordinate owes to her liege?
     
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    Yes, and just like actual testicles, it is a weak point, not a strength.
     
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    I'd say you need a reasonable reason to ban green shirts, or have a uniform standard. But still there are allowance made for religious practises. There are culture objections to veils, I understand that, but if the most outspoken group in the US, Christians claim to fight for the religious freedom standard, would they support this ruling or fight it? Personally there is philosophy vs practise. I dislike religious garb as a rule, but I won't ban it without a logical reason to do so.
     
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    Can we also fire *******s who wear flip-flops and make noise when walking in them?
     
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    If it is against the dress code stated in the company's policy, I say, HAIL YEAH! I would require EVERY employee who deals with a customer to dress as to no offend; that means NO frakking flip-flops. Behind the scene workers can dress any way they want, if I were a boss.
     
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    Christian bakers should not be forced to bake gay wedding cakes and there should be no ban on burkas or other religious clothing.
    Freedom means that the state has no right to tell you what to wear or do as long as you don't harm anyone.
     
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    No such thing exists. In 2016, it's a wedding cake. And yes, bakeries operating as licensed businesses have to make them. Get used to that.
     
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    you are "harming" someones civil rights in the first case though
     
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    I disagree.
     
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    I agree to a point; however, the State also has an obligation to suppress clothing that is sexist, oppressive, and fundamentally at odds with America values.
     
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    Employers are not States. Just like the baker should be able to bake for who he wants, so too should the employer be able to employ whoever they would like.
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    Where in the Bill of Rights can I find "The Right to have a cake baked" ?
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    What obligation?
     
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    It's not the cake per se, but you're refusing someone a service based on their sexual preference. It's the same as not providing a service to someone based on the color of their skin. Both things, neither can be controlled.

    If this person was being rowdy or obnoxious, it's a different story.
     
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    Until women across this country are given the right to walk around shirtless like men, spare me your righteous indignation.
     
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    The ones that do, aren't the ones that anyone wants to see. I would prefer we all keep our tops on for the sake of every ones eyesight.
     
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    Yeah, that is totally what I'm saying. [/sarcasm]

    The woman in the link is already wearing an Islamic overgarment and a headscarf. I think the employer has a right to say that her religious beliefs are already being accommodated and she should not be allowed to wear something that covers her face.
     

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