Award-winning anchorwoman is FIRED for 'racist' Facebook post

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  1. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    She was posting as a private person, but a reporter at that moment.

    Though, I'm too lazy to research her assessment, but was she wrong?
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    About the A Train, maybe at 3AM, but not even close during the day. That was true maybe a decade ago, but the city has been greatly gentrified since then. Plenty of white faces going passed Franklin Avenue these days.

    Though even as a kid, mostly ethnic white people still took the A to catch the L to Canarsie at East New York, or stayed on the train for Howard Beach and Ozone Park.

    So all around, you're incorrect about the A.
     
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    For those of you that read the actual posts of the woman, I'm not sure her online post was as racist as it's made out. But then again I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Knowing a little bit about the problems of impoverished urban PA, it sounds like she's alluding to a systemic crime problem rather than putting down blacks as a whole. Pittsburg has a lot of murders and crime. Poor Urban Minorities + Broken Families + Environment of Crime = Bad outcomes. I imagine she's alluding to repeated local incidents crimes and the cycle of crime that exists in many impoverished areas. I can see how some cherry picked sentences may be offensive, but I don't believe thats what the intent was... though it may have a slightly ignorant aura of condescension and therefore might not be in the best of taste. I think her post was more about pulling the community up from the poverty and crime than saying all 20 year old blacks are murders.



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  3. XrayTed thread starter macrumors regular

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    2010 census
    White: 3,597,341 (44.0%); Black: 2,088,510 (25.5%); American Indian and Alaska Native: 57,512 (0.7%); Asian: 1,038,388 (12.7%); Other race: 1,062,334 (13.0%); Two or more races: 325,901 (4.0%); Hispanic/Latino: 2,336,076 (28.6%)

    [From here http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108570.html, not sure why the %'s add up to well over 100%]

    So a roughly 54% of color demographic in NYC commits 96% of gun violence, while the rest of the demographics combined including whites commit about 4% - Anyone still wonder why they are sometimes profiled/stereotyped ?

    These horrific stats speak for themselves and unfortunately are duplicated in many if not most urban areas in the USA - But of course, anyone who points this out is a racist bigot by default.
     
  4. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    But New York is still pretty segregated, even if since I rode the A-train a decade ago it has improved, so that means most of the poor who commit gun crime are Blacks or Hispanics.
     
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    It all depends on what point you're trying to make with the statistics.

    So tell me, Xray, why do you think this is?
     
  6. thekev macrumors 604

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    It's futile to apply aggregate data to individual stories.
    It is a little condescending. She uses an impression of aggregate data to make an assertion about a specific incident. Something may be likely, but it's a bad idea to think of the majority of a particular community that way. In her story she refers to a restaurant employee and a group that could just be marked "other". It's a very polarized view, and it may make it easy to miss that those who appear closer to her expectations are still individuals.

    Anyway I hate seeing people lose their jobs over comments. They're more likely to revisit some of their views if they're able to speak openly about them on their own time.
     
  7. lowendlinux Contributor

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    It was WASP'y and condescending but I don't think it was she should have lost her job.
     
  8. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Why do you highly doubt it?
     
  9. XrayTed thread starter macrumors regular

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    Lets assume that is true - What is the point you are trying to make ?

    I would bet, without hesitation, this weeks paycheck paycheck against yours, or lets just say $2K, that the mothers are on welfare, and welfare mothers aren't exactly known for their strong work ethic - To speculate that they are "working multiple jobs" is quite a stretch.
     
  10. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    That if black people are disadvantaged then they are likely to commit more crime. Plus white people fit in so those white people who are disadvantaged can commit subtler crimes.
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    I would divide people on welfare into two groups. Only one of which is how you say, and they are very much the minority.
     
  11. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    This post doesn't make sense.
     
  12. zioxide macrumors 603

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    I don't think it matters which page she actually posted on. Someone with her job should be aware that anything posted online under her name, regardless if it's a personal or business account, will reflect back on her company.
     
  13. Raid, Apr 4, 2016
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    Not really true, according to the interview with the spokes person for the police was attempting to tackle a variety of issues including perception of racism. For many of their public reporting events the ethnicity of the accused will be suppressed (I'm not sure if that helps or harms) but for suspects or "persons of interest" they will use ethnicity of the accused.

    Well I don't know if you noticed, but the total crime count is in that table. It shows that of those violent crimes reported on the table 63% were perpetrated by 'whites' and 15% by 'blacks'. This stat does indicate different proportions vs the population numbers you quote, but only regression analysis would determine if just "being black" means you have a higher likely hood of committing a violent crime. My hypothesis is that the ethnicity of a person is far less of a significant factor in perpetrating violent crimes than some Socioeconomic Factors like education, and income.
     
  14. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Simply put, reporters should avoid speculation on publicly-accessible social media sites.

    One thing to keep in mind is that many journalists have public and private Facebook pages. The public page identifies them as a reporter along with their outlet, and they are encouraged to invite the public to comment on postings. (Some reporters treat this page as a billboard left to rot on some lonely highway, while other reporters post photos, stories, and speak directly to viewers or readers.)

    Some outlets will have a social media editor operate these pages, but primarily, these are controlled by the reporter.

    In this context, Wendy Bell posted the comments to Wendy Bell WTAE, a public Facebook page that linked her with the outlet.

    Here, the station takes responsibility for her comments and for her mistakes, which in this case was to speculate on the suspects. Even if she was dead right, reporters should avoid speculation.

    I don't really buy that her comments were racist—though the follow up, feel good story about the busboy makes me think she was worried—but she failed as a journalist by guessing, even if the guess is an educated guess based on years of experience.
     
  15. XrayTed thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thats what I thought you were getting at, props to finally kinda coming out and saying it.
    Keep in mind what you were responding to was gun violence/homicide stats, I don't think there is a valid excuse for that.
    I don't believe there was a huge spike in crime during the great depression, when people truly were destitute and starving, vs today where the definition of "poor" is not being able to afford the latest iphone the week after it comes out.
    Most of these criminals are just gratuitous thugs coming from generational clans of criminals who are simply too lazy and lacking in motivation and ethic to get up and go to work like a normal person. They seek the easy way out, and that easy way out is by and large dealing in drugs ,,, Which leads to conflict with others of their ilk, which leads to gun violence.

    I'm doubting that, why would someone with any ethics at all be accepting handouts for years on end ?
    How is it that I, with 5 kids no less, have managed to get by without having to accept a single dime of taxpayer relief, where many other rely on it for generations on end ? They would tell you "white privilege", their newest catch phrase excuse ,,, And I'm not so sure someone like you would reject that.

    Welfare has absolutely exploded under the Obama regime, some estimates putting the number 4-5x that which it was when he took office.
     
  16. samiwas macrumors 68000

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    Go to North Carolina. I heard they legislated new safe spaces for conservatives. Unfortunately for you, Georgia failed at their attempt.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean by 'welfare' as that blends together federal and state-run programs that have different uses and needs.

    For instance, do you include Medicare and Medicaid? WIC, SNAP? The EIC?

    What do you mean by "welfare?"

    For instance, I just looked at the participation rate for SNAP.

    In 2007, roughly 37 million people used SNAP. In 2016, roughly 45 million people are using SNAP.

    Or, 22 percent higher making your "estimate" about 18 fold higher than the actual SNAP participation rate in 2016.

    Largely speaking, conservatives have been playing dirty tricks with these numbers by conflating all the programs together, essentially assuming that each person is receiving only one program—when in actuality, a working mother might be receiving benefits from WIC, SNAP, TANF, and Medicaid, as well as receiving the EIC at tax time. These are all potential benefits for one household.

    Moreover, while conservatives like to hammer welfare programs, a recent study noted that around 56 percent of federal and state dollars spent on welfare programs from 2009 to 2011 went to working families.

    As the Wall Street Journal noted:

     
  18. XrayTed thread starter macrumors regular

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    Have you never heard of "welfare" before, you seem perplexed ?
    Welfare is tax payer funded handouts from feds/state, really is as simple as that. If you get a free cell phone, free rations at walmart, subsidized housing or paid bills, that is welfare.

    I'm sure you can trot out any number of feel good stats and articles to try to put lipstick on a pig, the fact is is it does far more harm than good by taking away incentive from able bodied adults, rewarding single mothers with highly irresponsible breeding habits, and letting dead beat sperm donors off the hook.

    Here is an article which I think sums my position up nicely - There is no doubt that the rise of the nanny handout state has risen step in step with chronic black criminality and destruction of the family unit.


    Why Is Welfare Spending So Out of Control Under Obama?

    One of the more dubious “firsts” the Obama Administration has accomplished is that there are more people on welfare and other public assistance programs than ever before in the history of our nation.

    In good socialists’ minds, the more welfare spending the better. It makes government all the more powerful and creates massive numbers of people totally dependent on government for their existence.

    Costing more than $1 trillion per year, the nation’s current welfare system is enormous, but much of this spending is counterproductive. Today’s welfare programs undermine work and marriage, leading to a broadening pattern of intergenerational dependence and self-defeating behaviors.

    In its effort to buy more votes and enhance its own power, the federal government is increasing the numbers of those who are eligible for assistance. Welfare was once designed to help those who couldn’t help themselves because of disabilities. It was also created to be a temporary aid to those who were out of work.

    Far from being a compassionate series of programs worthy of defense against reform, the current welfare architecture has been a disaster for struggling communities and has done its gravest disservice to recipients themselves. The damage has been twofold.

    First, the existing welfare system undermines work. By offering a generous system of entitlements to able-bodied adults without any obligation to work or prepare for work, welfare undermines the need and motivation for self-support.

    Welfare is primarily a system of one-way handouts: Only two out of more than 80 means-tested welfare programs include even modest work or training requirements.

    Second, nearly all of these means-tested welfare programs impose significant penalties against marriage. For 50 years, welfare has driven fathers from the home. As a consequence, single mothers have become increasingly dependent on government aid.

    Meanwhile, low-income fathers, deprived of meaningful roles as husbands and breadwinners, have drifted into the margins of society. Their attachment to the labor force has deteriorated, and the tendency toward self-destructive and anti-social behavior has increased.

    But the greatest victims of the anti-marriage incentives embedded in the welfare system have been children. Children raised without fathers in the home are substantially more likely to experience emotional and behavioral problems, to be expelled from or drop out of school, and to engage in juvenile and adult crime.

    http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/why-is-welfare-spending-so-out-of-control-under-obama
     
  19. steve knight, Apr 4, 2016
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    so as usual all people on welfare are lazy breeders. of course children and elderly are the highest users military personal too working poor pretty high. but lets throw that all away and say people are scumbags on it. so what does that make cooperation's that take government welfare? they are rewarded for making money by the government and send their money offshore.the amount of money makes welfare for the poor look like chump[ change. but hey they are cooler then poor people right? the solution cut welfare and keep wages low it has worked so well in the past we should keep going.
     
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    It's increasingly clear that you don't understand the programs or what they mean and are just sweeping them together into one big ball because it makes your rhetoric simple.

    And, that's why I think it's important to define your terms.

    Let's look at one aspect of welfare—the Earned Income Credit. What's the EIC?

    It's a tax rebate for people with incomes who have children and are given a tax credit for working. Remember for working and earning a salary (or some combination of earnings) below around $51,000.

    The cost of this program alone is $70 billion.

    Moreover, my data isn't a "feel good" stat, but the actual participation numbers from the USDA.

    Yeah, congratulations you've cribbed an article from the Heritage Foundation.

    But, you've failed to prove your earlier claim that the numbers for welfare were four-to-five times higher under Obama.

    Yes, the total welfare system costs more than $1 trillion per year, but that analysis includes $595.3 billion for Medicare, about $488.5 billion goes directly to vendors for Medicaid, and only about $383 billion goes to "welfare"— the handouts for food, cash, and housing.

    And, I know it's hard to understand context, but there are demographic shifts—aging Baby Boomers—that are driving up government expenditures, especially in health care.
     
  21. XrayTed thread starter macrumors regular

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    Entitlements and handouts are entitlements and handouts no matter what spin you want to put on it - Having completely supported myself and family 100% since I was 17, no I'm not an authority on entitlements and handouts. I do know this gravy train is not dropping like manna from the sky, it is me paying for it.


    Only about $383 billion in handouts, oh gee, is that it ? We are drowning in debt like never before thanks to the present government, and hard working taxpayers like me are being gouged like never before ,,, But easy come easy go huh ,,, Just print out some more !
     
  22. FieldingMellish, Apr 4, 2016
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    We’ve discussed how dangerous PC has led to deaths (Fort Hood and San Bernardino warnings left unsaid, unchallenged, for fear of PC retribution). So it stands to reason that dangerous PC also leads to instant career loss. There is no discussion. Just judge, jury, execution. Tyrannical on stilts. Tolerance personified. You might think, Oh, it’s just the college kids who do not brook dissent from the PC God. But they eventually graduate and become the PC Stazi. Let's face it. NBC and Univision created the Trump that's got everyone's hands wringing. They went to harm the man's businesses for but a few words. Trump - please make America great again. We can start by demolishing PC and making it safe to dissent again.
     
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    I know I'm on Xray's ignore list, but I can still make him look wrong in front of everyone else.

    According to this, the top marginal tax rate is the lowest it's been since about the 30's. Corporations and income are taxed less now than they've been for decades.
     
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    Working multiple part time jobs is not an uncommon survival strategy. And juggling the demands of two jobs (with overlapping schedules) along with childcare can easily be confused by the obtuse observer with not having a work ethic.
     
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    I don't disagree.

    On a different but related topic, I can't find a national news television station that doesn't editorialize in their reporting. It just pisses me off. I tolerate CNN but its getting intolerable.
     

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