AZ Gov. Jan Brewer repeatedly refuses to recant false "beheading" story

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Sep 3, 2010.

  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Feb 14, 2004
    OBJECTIVE reality
    Wow. I love it when the media grow a spine and make a dishonest politician squirm. Check out what happened when she is asked in a gubernatorial debate, and again by reporters, whether she'd recant the false story about drug-related beheadings in the Arizona desert

    Her original statement:
    Her deer-in-the-headlights reaction to being proven wrong. (video)

    Best part: when the reporters collectively groan when she changes the topic.
  2. mcrain macrumors 68000


    Feb 8, 2002
    The funny thing was that the most aggressive reporter in the room was from FoxNews...

    Ok, yes, I'm just fibbing.
  3. hulugu macrumors 68000


    Aug 13, 2003
    quae tangit perit Trump
    This isn't the only politically helpful lie Brewer's used recently. She also stated that her father died fighting the Nazis. He actually died of lung cancer in 1955 after years of working in a munitions factory.

    She's also repeated the untrue claim that Phoenix is the world kidnap capitol, and that 90 percent of illegal aliens are drug mules.
  4. Counterfit macrumors G3


    Aug 20, 2003
    sitting on your shoulder
    Seems like actual journalism is only dead at the national level? Good job by those reporters, several of them wouldn't let her ignore that question.
  5. MacNut macrumors Core


    Jan 4, 2002
    Local news is usually better because it is focused on issues that matter to the people.
  6. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003

    LMAO. Surely, you jest. Local news is infotainment at best with traffic and weather every 10 minutes.
  7. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030


    May 18, 2004
    well now she says;

    "...if I said that...." :p
  8. NT1440 macrumors G4


    May 18, 2008

    If true, how has she gotten away with this crap? She's still ahead in the polls for christs sake!:confused::(:mad:
  9. iJohnHenry macrumors P6


    Mar 22, 2008
    On tenterhooks
    The State that gave you Sheriff Joe?? Do you even need to ask? ;)
  10. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Feb 14, 2004
    OBJECTIVE reality
    It's actually one of several claims made by various politicians:

    That was with just five minutes' searching on my part.

    And guess where the false claims of Brewer and the others got a sympathetic hearing? Why, media like the Examiner and Fox, of course.

    But really, this is sick and sickening. Making up crap like this to demonize an entire group of immigrants, just to try to justify your pet issue? Grotesque in the extreme. :mad:
  11. NT1440 macrumors G4


    May 18, 2008
    It's not really a pet issue. It's a divisive issue and thats all they need. It gets their base moving while the rest of us don't see it as something worthy of heading to the polls over.

    Also, you'd be amazed at how many politicians that love things such as the war on drugs, immigration, etc have ties to the private prison industry.

    America is truly run by the rich and the corporate.
  12. Counterfit macrumors G3


    Aug 20, 2003
    sitting on your shoulder
    Yup. Anyone remember this?
  13. NT1440 macrumors G4


    May 18, 2008
    Exactly what I was getting at. I doubt very seriously that only that judge was involved in this kind of thing.

    What other reason could there be that we have so many politicians pushing for pointless laws that put more and more people in jail, private jails at that. I think it's no coincidence that we have over 2 million people in jail in this country. What a shock, the majority are for petty drug crimes as well. :rolleyes:

    Whether we are aware or not, it seems that prison is a great big business for those in the private sector. Guaranteed heads to fill the place, guaranteed massive grants to pay for the place, it doesn't get any sweeter.

    I've noticed a disturbing trend in corruption when things that should be handled solely by government (for the sake of accountability) tend to turn to **** and disgusting abuses of power when handed so willingly over to the private sector.

    Dem, Republican, Green Party, etc. I'll vote down anyone that proposes to privatize things as vital as Social Security. I still can't believe the ridiculous mix up we call a health care system.

    This is America guys, if we could get the population to give a ****, or at least point out the obvious abuses and trajectory of given policies, we could do better.
  14. obeygiant macrumors 68040


    Jan 14, 2002
    totally cool
  15. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010

    Neither the FBI nor the U.S. National Central Bureau of Interpol, an arm of the U.S. Department of Justice that serves as the United States' representative to Interpol, could confirm that Phoenix has the second-highest frequency of kidnapping cases worldwide.

    Short of the time we'd need to call authorities in every medium- to big-size city in the world, we contacted Daniel Johnson, an overseas kidnapping operations consultant at ASI Global, a Houston-based company that coaches clients through kidnappings.

    Johnson said: "From our internal experience in the last year, Mexico by far has been the biggest location for kidnappings" followed by Honduras, Venezuela, Nigeria and the Philippines. The company has handled domestic cases but Thompson said they don't compare in volume to overseas incidents. Thompson said the company annually dispatches a consultant to handle about 50 to 100 cases a year. Mexico City, Caracas, Venezuela, and Tegucigalpa, Honduras are the three cities where they work on the most kidnapping cases, he said

    Johnson also said that generally, the problem with kidnapping statistics is there's "no reliable empirical data" and kidnappings are "inherently under-reported, anyway." Kidnappers nab someone and tell you not to tell the police, he said, adding that especially outside the United States, people typically don't report the incidents to law enforcement.

    He said Phoenix has been dealing with the issue for several years now, and the number of reported kidnappings have actually decreased since this story broke in 2009. There were 358 reported kidnappings in 2008 (10 fewer than reported by the LA Times, due to later reclassification of the crimes), 318 in 2009 and there were 105 from January through May 2010, he said, putting the city on track to sustain less than 300 this year.

    Phoenix has experienced hundreds of kidnappings over the past few years. However, we couldn't find reliable around-the-planet evidence to confirm that only Mexico City experiences more of them. In fact, experts advise that such rankings can't be made based on available information. If they could, they speculate, other cities would prove to have more kidnappings than Arizona's capital.

    Punch line: Nothing confirms Phoenix as No. 2 in kidnappings worldwide. We'll revisit this turf if compelling evidence surfaces, but for now Dewhurst's statement is False.
  16. hulugu macrumors 68000


    Aug 13, 2003
    quae tangit perit Trump
    Well, according to Stratfor, Phoenix is far down the list, behind cities like San Salvador, Guatemala City, Bogota, Mexico City, and Baghdad.

    It depends on how you count kidnappings as to which of the above are actually the highest. Moreover, Phoenix's kidnapping rate declined in 2009.
  17. sjinsjca macrumors 68020


    Oct 30, 2008
    Stories like the following have become routine... on the other side of the border, so far (and sometimes barely)-- and that's where Brewer got it wrong. So far. Sometimes barely. Meanwhile there's no shortage of violence, courtesy of the same folks, on this side of the border. Just not the beheadings. So far.

    Should Brewer get her facts straight? Certainly. But to say she must "recant" a "false" story (with "beheading" in scare-quotes, as if it's a fabrication cooked up to dogmatize the issue) amounts to tiresome pedantry. The porous border is a serious issue. As is our insistence on refusing to learn the lessons of Prohibition.

    Police find 8 severed heads in northern Mexico
    Associated Press
    July 28, 2010, 6:17AM

    MEXICO CITY — The severed heads of eight men were found left in pairs along highways in the northern Mexico state of Durango, state prosecutors said Tuesday.

    The bodies had not yet been located, but the victims appeared to have been between 25 and 30 years old, officials said.

    Durango has been the scene of brutal turf battles between drug gangs. Prosecutors said over the weekend that officials at a Durango prison let drug cartel gunmen to leave penitentiary and lent them guns and vehicles to carry out executions.

    Also Tuesday, prosecutors in the central state of Puebla reported that three federal police agents were shot to death on a highway in a confrontation with gunmen. The assailants escaped.

    In the northern border state of Chihuahua, prosecutors said a second cousin of Gov.-elect Cesar Duarte was shot to death by attackers in the city of Parral. The victim, lawyer Alberto Porras Duarte, was slain while waiting in a vehicle outside his office.

    One of Duarte's nephews was killed earlier this month in the Chihuahua state capital in what appeared to be a failed kidnapping attempt. The state has been the scene of some Mexico's bloodiest drug violence.

    In the border state of Tamaulipas, army officials reported Monday that they had captured nine Guatemalan citizens during patrols against drug trafficking organizations and seized seven grenades and two guns from the suspects.

    A day earlier, troops in Tamaulipas detained 11 people believed to work for the Zetas drug gang and seized five rifles.

    Almost 25,000 people have died in drug-related violence since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against the cartels in late 2006.

    Three headless bodies found in taxi in Mexico

    18 May 2009, 19:40
    Mexico City - Police on Monday found three decapitated bodies in an abandoned taxi in southern Mexico, and their heads in an ice cooler on a road nearby.

    Mexico's relentless drug violence has left more than 7 300 people dead since the start of 2008 amid a crackdown on feuding traffickers involving some 36 000 troops.

    Local police in Guerrero state, home to the beach resort of Acapulco, found three bodies in a taxi carrying signs of torture and with their hands tied, the state security ministry said in a statement.

    "They found three human heads wrapped in tape in an ice cooler" several miles (kilometers) away, it added.

    Meanwhile, a 15-year-old US citizen was killed in crossfire during a shootout at a party in the volatile border city of Ciudad Juarez, the local prosecutor's office said.

    Tania Lozoya Uyua, of Mexican origin, was hit by at least two bullets in the dawn shootout, an official said.

    Three others died Sunday in gangland-style killings in the border city across from El Paso, Texas, and 10 others died in the same Chihuahua state, authorities said. - AFP

    Four headless bodies found hanging upside down from bridge could be work of Mexican rival drug gangs

    August 23rd, 2010 2:53 am CT

    Rival gangs battling over drug turf continues in Mexico.

    One of the most wealthiest areas of Mexico woke up Sunday morning, August 22, 2010, to the mutilated bodies of four young men hanging upside down from a busy bridge.

    Cuernavaca police and officials indicated the bodies were headless and their genitals had been cut off.

    A statement from the attorney generals office in the state of Morelos also said some fingers, the heads and the genitals were found close by with a handmade signed saying this will happen "to everyone who supports the traitor Edgar Valdes Villarreal."

    Valdes, whose real name is Edgar Valdez, is a major drug cartel leader. .

    The message was signed "C.P.S.," the initials of the South Pacific Cartel, a fairly new drug gang that claimed responsibility for similar killings.

    Mexico drug violence continues across Mexico as President Felipe Calderon targets cartels. Rival gangs battle over smuggling turf.

    Over 28,000 people have died in drug violence in Mexico since late 2006.
  18. hulugu macrumors 68000


    Aug 13, 2003
    quae tangit perit Trump
    I totally agree and this is why I think Brewer should be taken to task. Brewer has repeatedly conflated illegal immigrants with the violence in Mexico, which is a false construction designed to demonize people while ignoring the serious and difficult problems we face in Mexico. Moreover, laws like SB1070 utterly fail in dealing with the issue you address, while simultaneously giving more power—through black market funding—to those who are creating the lawlessness and bloodshed in Mexico.
    Brewer is irresponsible because she's using the "beheading" and "kidnapping capital" memes to scare Arizona voters into giving her the governor's mansion and yet we're all ignoring gun battles in Nogales, Sonora.
  19. .Andy macrumors 68030


    Jul 18, 2004
    The Mergui Archipelago
    However one should remember that drug violence on your side of the border is jsut as much a fault of americans. It's demand from within american that drives the trade across the border in the first place.

    Well I don't think it isn't really. In my opinion it is calcuated to conflate the drug gangs with those fleeing poverty and crime to find a better life for themselves (and far outweigh the former). However their plight holds no political capital whoatsoever. Tough on crime and xenophobia sells, so that's the line that gets pushed for political gain.

    The "porosity" of the border is only a serious issue insofar as its importance as a thoroughfare for people to flee what is obviously a horrible mess in places to find a better life for themselves and their family. Given the three stories you've posted here who can honestly say they wouldn't try to walk across a boder to try and escape it and make a better life. I sure as hell would.
  20. macfan881 macrumors 68020

    Feb 22, 2006
    Jon Stewart Had a great Segment on her tonight I'll have to post it up later I cant belive she's actaully ahead in the polls

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