Baltimore gets bloodier as arrests drop post-Freddie Gray

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    http://news.yahoo.com/baltimore-residents-fearful-amid-homicide-spike-083758282.html

    its going to be a hard transition while they balance just how much policing they will do that will keep crime down and the citizens happy.

    valid questions by the cops.
     
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    You can do your job without purposefully harassing the citizens.

    There's the difference.
     
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    You reap the community that you help create. This is the same community that thinks it's okay to steal and riot as long as there is something to protest.
     
  4. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    see the 2nd quote.

    6 guys got arrested with Freddy's death. did they ALL have something to do with it? cops have a valid point, with ALL involved get jailed should something go wrong?
     
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    From the article:

    Not really. The police officers have qualified immunity which allows them to make decisions that could be considered illegal if they believe that under "clearly established law" such an act was legal. As it stands, it's very difficult to prosecute police officers for bad acts.

    Looking at the Gray case today, it seems obvious that the officers put themselves into a situation that was against policy and law.
     
  6. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    ALL SIX of them?

    you see 2 as the arresting officers.
     
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    I guess the lesson is: If the cops conspire to murder someone, nobody should complain about it?

    Police actions like this one - a deliberate slowdown in the work they are sworn to do - similar to what New York cops did when DeBlasio first took office, really lower my opinion of police officers.

    Professionals do their job to the best of the ability every day. Regardless of the circumstances.
     
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    Yes, but all of them failed to do their duty.

    For example, Sgt. Alicia White is charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, and misconduct in office because she failed to appropriately check on Gray.

    Officer William G. Porter was charged because he ignored Gray's compliant that he had trouble breathing and "helped Gray up off the floor of the van and placed him back on a bench without strapping him into a seat belt — a violation of department policy," said Marilyn Mosby, Baltimore state's attorney.
     
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    Well, seeing as none of them restrained him, and none of them called for medical assistance (both being required under protocol)....yes.

    I don't know why you want to ignore the details of the case and instead try to boil it down to (paraphrasing) "well everyone is getting punished".
     
  10. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    did the arresting officers ride with him all the way to the jail ?

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    that is what it looks like.

    you guys are seemingly working on the assumption that ALL had their hand in the death. I could see 2 maybe 3 being charged, but 6?

    1 driver
    2 the arresting officer who put him in the back & failed to strap him.
    3 the guy who failed to check on him when they stopped.
     
  11. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    And you know what: They'll get a chance to be represented by a lawyer at their trial. Where the burden of proof will be on the prosecution to prove that they did something wrong.

    Freddie Gray never got that chance, did he?
     
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    As put rather eloquently by Drew....THIS is why courts exist.
     
  13. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    he was on his way when he died.

    the one + I do see to all of this is that cops are indeed questioning just how screwed they will be if they continue to cover up things thanks to the thick blue line.

    either they turn in the bad apples or they all fry along with the bad apples.
     
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    When cops do this, I can't tell if they are looking for sympathy, or, if it is an extortion attempt. But, the cops who do it should be disciplined, and, if they keep doing it, fired. And, if they feel they can't do their jobs without killing unarmed people, then, they should find another line of work.
     
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    It’s all about the cops, right? Nothing to do with the denizens of Baltimore? Or perhaps the overriding political decisions being made in the city? Or a combination of the latter two?

    The Baltimore Sun reports that May 2015’s 40th homicide makes it the deadliest month in the city in 25 years. Isn't it a fair statement to say that there was no Freddie Gray incident 25 years ago? What's that tell you?

    A couple weeks back, Newt Gingrich wrote an article that stated things that I didn’t know. His take on the current situation is clearly political and it’s largely about the city being under Democratic control for a long time. Newt essentially has insinuated that it is Democratic policies that have allowed the city to be in the current crisis that it is.

    Gingrich:
    Fact: The last Republican city council member in Baltimore City left office in 1942. That is 73 years of solid Democrat city councils.
    Fact: The Maryland Senate is currently 33 Democrats to 14 Republicans.
    Fact: The Maryland House is currently 90 Democrats to 50 Republicans.
    Fact: The last time Republicans held both the Maryland Senate and the Maryland House of Delegates was 1897.
    Fact: The last time Republicans held even one chamber of the Maryland General Assembly—the House—was 1917.
    That is unbroken Democrat control of the Maryland legislature since 1918, or nearly a century of Democrat control. Seven out of eight members of the Maryland delegation in the U.S. House are Democrats. The last Republican U.S. senator from Maryland was elected in 1980.

    Gingrich goes on:
    It was Baltimore’s Democrat mayor, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, who said: “I’ve made it very clear that I worked with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech. It’s a very delicate balancing act. Because while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate.”

    This “space to destroy” policy led to riots which resulted in:

    • 130 police officers injured
    • More than 350 businesses damaged (increasing inner-city unemployment)
    • 15 pharmacies damaged (limiting inner-city residents’ access to medicine)
    • Korean-American businesses targeted
    • 144 vehicle fires
    • Fire hoses cut as firemen fought fires

    The collapse of order has a continuing effect. There has been a drastic increase in shootings and homicides in Baltimore since April 27. More than 50 people have been shot. At least 10 have been shot and four killed since May 9. Nonfatal shootings are up nearly 50 percent.

    … and this brings us to the end of May figures for the largest amount of homicides there in 25 years.

    Is that the de-escalation that Ms. Rawlings-Blake was aiming for?
     
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    Gingrich is jumping on this like a vulture on a rotting carcass. The usual partisan bickering has almost nothing to do with what's going on Baltimore.
     

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