Barack Obama is a Tory

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  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    A News Magazine type article from the BBC caught my eye:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19577434


    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2012/08/is-barack-obama-a-tory/

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/millman/the-democrats-are-tom-friedmans-conservative-party/
     
  2. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Obama is a patch-this-failing-system kind of leader, not a "lets think about what kind of society we want to build for the 21st century" leader.

    In fact, I'd say the USA doesn't have any real leaders, just those that want to prop up a system that is rotting to the core.
     
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    Not so hard to believe. The political spectrum in america is slightly further to the right in the UK. So the Tories in america would be centre left and Labour would probably be borderline communist in the eyes of some republicans (lol).

    Likewise, Mitt Romney over here in the UK is a looney.
     
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    Except, when the popular PM for nearly a decade was Labour, he was _____ing his way up George W. Bush's _______. Does that sound way left? To drag the country into a pointless, wasteful war?

    A looney? Does he have a pet halibut called Eric?
     
  5. Fazzy macrumors 6502

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    I was talking about the parties standings in general, not where individual leaders have swayed it over the years. If I were, we wouldn't have a mainstream left party, as we haven't since "new labour" was created. Likewise, the current tory party are more centre right rather than right wing like thatcher was in the 80's. But she was a neo liberal, which is an entirely different discussion altogether.
     
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    Got to agree with this, in fact I've posted that exact statement here before! The Torys here are right wing (but not very far) yet line up with the Democrats in the US quite well... who are often portrayed as liberal lefties!

    Like Fazzy said, if many Americans read a Labour/LibDem manifesto they may mistake it for one from the communist party!

    Similarly if the Rebublicans stood here try would probably lie somewhere between UKIP (probably the most right-wing party you can vote for here without being a crazy thug, although they only get ~3% of the votes in a general election) and the BNP (the aforementioned crazy thugs).
     
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    Warmongering doesn't really know left from right, though blair was certainly more centre than labour leaders before him.
     
  8. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    It has been stated many times on this forum that the Democrats would be seen as a center right party here in Old Europe. Obama is to many eyes here a conservative with a small 'c' .
    The Republicans would be seen as far right in most of Europe, and some members of the Tea Party would be seen as Nazi.:(
     
  9. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    Obama is a conservative? Not by any rational definition of the word.
     
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    Right, because they have exactly nothing in common, as a matter of fact they are complete opposites.:rolleyes:
     
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    Wait.... I thought he was a Communist? And a Muslim? Maybe he is everything at once...kind of like God....
     
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    Doesn't matter where he goes. Whether he's in Alabama, New York City, London, Tokyo, Sydney, or Cape Town, he's still a ****ing looney. ;)

    I don't think there's a single candidate in the American political landscape who actually meets the definition of conservative at this point.

    But Obama's a lot closer to it than the wack job tea party people who hijacked the term.

    Mitt Romney tells 533 lies in 30 weeks, Steve Benen documents them
     
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    Yeah because we have about 4 months left. :rolleyes:
     
  16. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Has there been one in the past that you believe fit the description?
     
  17. jnpy!$4g3cwk thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Prior to President Obama, I would say that Dwight Eisenhower was probably the most small "c" conservative. A lot of younger people who only know the Republican Party from Reagan onward seem surprised by Eisenhower's civil rights record:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower
     
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    Obama is a Black Muslim -Madonna

    ;)
     
  19. Mord macrumors G4

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    Now put yourself in the shoes of those of us outside the US, where politics is far more left leaning, that's exactly how from our perspective it seems when you say Obama is a socialist, it seems utterly irrational as he's so obviously to the right of politicians even we don't consider socialist.

    America has no monopoly on the definition of the word "conservative" they're relative political terms.
     
  20. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    Of course America has no monopoly on the word "conservative", the Americans don't even have their own language, they still use English. :D
     

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