Barack Obama plans quick transfer of Guantanamo Bay suspects to US

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  1. XnavxeMiyyep macrumors 65816

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    OH - BA - MA!

    OH - BA - MA!

    OH - BA - MA!


    *Clears throat and regains Britishness...*


    Sounds good, it's about time America starts acting like a grown up nation again.
     
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    I'm really happy already with Obama. Hope he keeps this up!
     
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    Yeah... Obama's victory kind of feels like this.
     
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    Considering how this is a shameful mark on American's history, it should be one of the first things to go.

    Let's hope sending people to get tortured in other countries follows suit.
     
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    There is going to be times where we look at him and think 'eek - I wouldn't have done that' or 'he hasn't changed that' but we need to put these things into perspective when they happen.

    With that said... so am I.
     
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    Brilliant news. This will do more to fight the "War on Terror" than anything Bush/Cheney have done since this camp was set up. The US can start rebuilding the bridges that have been destroyed over the past eight years and genuinely win hearts and minds instead of chasing people into the arms of extremists.

    Starting to look like the history of the USA between 2000 and 2016 will be summed up by the phrase Shock and Awe. Quite ironic really :D
     
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    I hope he's got a plan for dealing with the detainees who aren't going to be charged but can't be sent home.
     
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    I think that will be one of the biggest challenges. Do we let China have them cause it thinks they are guilty for example?

    If they are innocent and just got caught up because of $$ bounties, do we allow them to stay in the US if communities offer to help them integrate?
     
  11. Lyle macrumors 68000

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    Why couldn't they be sent home?
     
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    Because some of their former home countries won't allow them to return.
     
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    There could be personal safety issues if some of them are sent home. There could be situations where their lives could be in jeopardy.
     
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    The article says that their home country does not want them back. But this is what confuses me. If they are proven innocent, why doesnt the country have them back? :confused:

    EDIT: Nvm, the poster above me answered it I guess.
     
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    Not "our" problem.

    Give them a chute, and bombs-away.
     
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    There's a difference between proven innocent and not charged with anything. If for example a prisoner is in Guantanamo because he fought with the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Afghan government is probably not going to permit their readmission to the country after their release. I expect the same would be true of Saudi nationals. This could be a sticky problem.
     
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    The United States should have a form of protected witness program only for the innocent people held there. Give them a place to live without fear,money for the rest of their lives but make sure they don't go all ballistic..

    Maybe a large area that is secure and they have freedom inside that area. ?


    I don't know. It's a tough call.

    If I were innocent and held there for 8 years. Tortured and raped. Man I'd be insane.
     
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    Friendly third-party states can be found. For example, if Saudi Arabia won't allow a national back, African Muslim states such as Mauritania, Djibouti or Morocco might.
     
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    While that might see viable, the cultures and languages are so different that this might not work.

    Can you imagine an Uighur in Morocco?
     
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    "Might" being the operative word. This is why I'm hoping this has been thought completely through. The closing of Guantanamo needs to be handled cleanly. You can bet some can't wait to hand Obama his first political embarrassment.
     
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    Excellent idea. But we'd need a name for it.


    Hmm....








    How about Ghetto?
     
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    Please don't quote me out of context. I ended my post with an "I don't know". I was merely throwing up ideas. Stupid as they may be.

    A lot of these people,although innocent must have some severe mental problems due to the abuse they have endured.

    I feel sorry for them.
     
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    Ugh- can you imagine? It's almost unthinkable. :(
     
  24. Queso macrumors G4

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    Some will of course hate it. Take that as a given.

    However, there will also be those falling over themselves to declare themselves aligned with the "new, improved and enlightened USA v2.0". The existence of Guantanamo has turned a lot of governments away from showing support of anything the US has been doing for fear of how their people will react. Having a new President in the White House immediately closing the camps gives these governments the perfect opportunity to show support without risking general strikes and protesting mobs storming parliament.

    Of course, there could also be generous aid packages available for those willing to help. That always goes a long way in opening doors.
     
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    You don't have to convince me that Guantanamo must be closed, sooner rather than later. What I am saying is that the closure must be done in such a way that we don't end up with a bunch of stateless former militants living in the US (presumably at taxpayer's expense) because nobody else will take them. If that happens, you can pretty much cancel out any domestic political benefit Obama might get for following through promptly on a campaign promise. Right away, he gets his feet stuck in the political mud. OTOH, if the result is quick and tidy, the critics will be disarmed, and we move on.
     

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