Battle for the US Senate

Southern Dad

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As we get closer to the general elections it is looking more like the Republicans will keep the House and take the Senate. This isn't unusual. Both William Jefferson Clinton and George Walker Bush had to deal with both houses of the Congress in opposing hands their last two years in office.

The President's "War on Coal" has pretty much guaranteed the loss of the West Virginia seat. The President himself nearly lost the Democrat primary here in 2012 to Keith Judd, a convicted felon serving time. Talk about a message from Democrats to the top.

All of the polls are showing that the South Dakota seat and the Montana seat are pretty much done deals with double digit leads for the Republican candidates. The GOP only needs a six seat pick up to control the US Senate. With so many vulnerable seats up, 2014 is certainly not looking to be a good year for the Democrats.

If the Republicans keep the House and get the Senate, do you think the President will work with them or will he wear out a veto pen?
 

Southern Dad

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He will wear out the veto pen and if one thinks the Executive Orders are bad now just look out. :D
While the seats that are up in 2014 are favorable to the GOP, the class coming up in 2016 isn't. The GOP would need to pass a lot of bills through both houses. Jobs bills, tax bills, medical reform bills, basically bills for everything. This gets the Democrats on record as voting against and it causes the President to have to veto them left and right. Changing the GOP from the party of "No" to the Democrats becoming the obstructionists.
 

samiwas

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The GOP would need to pass a lot of bills through both houses. Jobs bills, tax bills, medical reform bills, basically bills for everything. This gets the Democrats on record as voting against and it causes the President to have to veto them left and right. Changing the GOP from the party of "No" to the Democrats becoming the obstructionists.
Why do you think that the Democrats would automatically vote against jobs bills? Not sure what kinds of tax and medical bills you're talking about though. Why do you also think that the President would veto everything?
 

Huntn

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While the seats that are up in 2014 are favorable to the GOP, the class coming up in 2016 isn't. The GOP would need to pass a lot of bills through both houses. Jobs bills, tax bills, medical reform bills, basically bills for everything. This gets the Democrats on record as voting against and it causes the President to have to veto them left and right. Changing the GOP from the party of "No" to the Democrats becoming the obstructionists.
Ah, the Democrats are not Republicans, they don't reject ideas just because their opposition proposed an idea that they normally would support. Your bias is showing.
 

ElectronGuru

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It's human nature to expect your opponents to retaliate with the same tactics you've used. And while republicans certainly deserve it, our country does not.
 

bradl

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Don't deprive SD of his wishful thinking... ;)
Agreed.

I believe it was that same set/style of thinking that the Reds had 2 years ago.. then along came a guy named Nate Silver with some messed up site called FiveThirtyEight.

BL.
 

zioxide

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Agreed.

I believe it was that same set/style of thinking that the Reds had 2 years ago.. then along came a guy named Nate Silver with some messed up site called FiveThirtyEight.

BL.
Karl Rove is STILL looking for those extra votes for Mitt in Ohio. :D


Also, what the **** is a "war on coal"? Is it like the "war on asbestos?"
 

capathy21

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While the seats that are up in 2014 are favorable to the GOP, the class coming up in 2016 isn't. The GOP would need to pass a lot of bills through both houses. Jobs bills, tax bills, medical reform bills, basically bills for everything. This gets the Democrats on record as voting against and it causes the President to have to veto them left and right. Changing the GOP from the party of "No" to the Democrats becoming the obstructionists.
The Dems would never become the obstructionists that the GOP has been. The GOP will continue their same crap of not even looking at bills that would help the middle class just so they can keep their promise to object anything this president endorses. Minimum wage increase? Nope. Jobs bill? Nope. Infrastructure? Nope. Basically anything that would help us move in the right direction will continue to be opposed by the GOP. They will not risk the president getting credit for anything. They will continue to call him a tyrant, a Marxist and whatever else they can to get their gullible base convinced that he is the Anti-Christ. They will continue to waste money voting to repeal the ACA, they will continue to waste money legislating against women's rights, against gay rights, and for cutting assistance for those in need.

I would love nothing more than to see them send out a jobs bill, an infrastructure bill, and anything else of substance to get us moving forward. I guarantee the president would sign them. He would be a fool not to. Just like Clinton got the credit for welfare reform in the late 90's. The GOP at the time put the pressure on him and he did it. Ask anyone today, and they will give Clinton credit. The difference is, that GOP knew this and still did their jobs. The current GOP knows Obama would get credit and they could never allow that.

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Karl Rove is STILL looking for those extra votes for Mitt in Ohio. :D
As Megyn Kelly said, "Is this math you do as a Republican, to make yourself feel better?"

Jon Stewart had a field day with it!
 

Southern Dad

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Andrew Tanenbaum runs this amazing poll/news election analysis site, if you've never seen it:

http://electoral-vote.com/

Right now it looks like 51 Dem/49 Repub.
They are counting on Georgia being won by Michelle Nunn. Perdue is going to eat her for lunch. Georgia has fair weather voters. There's no rock star at the top of the ticket to draw out the voters. SurveyUSA, InsiderAdvantage, and Rasmussen all have Perdue winning it. Looking at the primary voting this year heavily favored Republicans based on the turnout. In the Senate race for theSaxby Chamblis seat, there were 605k votes for the Republicans and 328k votes cast for the Democrats. Governor's race was pretty close to the same. There was a runoff of the GOP Senate candidate that still saw 483k voters come out for Republicans (it was GOP runoff only).

Real Clear Politics is showing 52 - 48 for the Republicans, with pick ups in WV, SD, MT, NC, LA, IA and AR. Either way, no poll is showing it being a good day for the Democrats. It's just a question of how many seats they lose not if they lose seats.

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The Dems would never become the obstructionists that the GOP has been. The GOP will continue their same crap of not even looking at bills that would help the middle class just so they can keep their promise to object anything this president endorses. Minimum wage increase? Nope. Jobs bill? Nope. Infrastructure? Nope. Basically anything that would help us move in the right direction will continue to be opposed by the GOP. They will not risk the president getting credit for anything. They will continue to call him a tyrant, a Marxist and whatever else they can to get their gullible base convinced that he is the Anti-Christ. They will continue to waste money voting to repeal the ACA, they will continue to waste money legislating against women's rights, against gay rights, and for cutting assistance for those in need.

I would love nothing more than to see them send out a jobs bill, an infrastructure bill, and anything else of substance to get us moving forward. I guarantee the president would sign them. He would be a fool not to. Just like Clinton got the credit for welfare reform in the late 90's. The GOP at the time put the pressure on him and he did it. Ask anyone today, and they will give Clinton credit. The difference is, that GOP knew this and still did their jobs. The current GOP knows Obama would get credit and they could never allow that.

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As Megyn Kelly said, "Is this math you do as a Republican, to make yourself feel better?"

Jon Stewart had a field day with it!
They will vote against every one of the bills passed by the Republicans because they won't like how the Republicans will want to pay for it. It's all posturing because President Obama would veto every one of them any way. Of course, they'll repeal Obamacare a few times.
 

rdowns

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The Dems would never become the obstructionists that the GOP has been. The GOP will continue their same crap of not even looking at bills that would help the middle class just so they can keep their promise to object anything this president endorses. Minimum wage increase? Nope. Jobs bill? Nope. Infrastructure? Nope. Basically anything that would help us move in the right direction will continue to be opposed by the GOP. They will not risk the president getting credit for anything. They will continue to call him a tyrant, a Marxist and whatever else they can to get their gullible base convinced that he is the Anti-Christ. They will continue to waste money voting to repeal the ACA, they will continue to waste money legislating against women's rights, against gay rights, and for cutting assistance for those in need.

I would love nothing more than to see them send out a jobs bill, an infrastructure bill, and anything else of substance to get us moving forward. I guarantee the president would sign them. He would be a fool not to. Just like Clinton got the credit for welfare reform in the late 90's. The GOP at the time put the pressure on him and he did it. Ask anyone today, and they will give Clinton credit. The difference is, that GOP knew this and still did their jobs. The current GOP knows Obama would get credit and they could never allow that.


Yeah, at this point, Obama could tell us he blew Putin to get him to agree to cease all hostilities in Ukraine and to return Crimea and the Republicans would be questioning whether he swallowed, spit or got a facial.
 

lannister80

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They are counting on Georgia being won by Michelle Nunn. Perdue is going to eat her for lunch. Georgia has fair weather voters. There's no rock star at the top of the ticket to draw out the voters. SurveyUSA, InsiderAdvantage, and Rasmussen all have Perdue winning it.
http://electoral-vote.com/evp2014/Senate/Graphs/georgia.html

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2014/Senate/senate_polls.html

Scroll down to Georgia on the second link. Last 2 polls have showed Nunn in the lead, one of which by the same pollster (Landmark) than has Purdue in the lead on July 25th.

Although this page is all you need to look at, really:

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2014/Senate//EVP_average.html
 

capathy21

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democrats/republicans, what difference does it make?
Although they are both corrupt, If this modern day GOP had full power, women's rights would be trampled on, SS and Medicare would be privatized and destroyed, people of color and LGBT citizens would be able to be discriminated against with no recourse, the social safety net would be eviscerated, public education would be destroyed in the name of profit, any regulation reducing pollution and contamination of our water would be rolled back, and we'd basically have Charles and David Koch's Utopia of the rich get richer and screw everyone else.
 

Southern Dad

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http://electoral-vote.com/evp2014/Senate/Graphs/georgia.html

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2014/Senate/senate_polls.html

Scroll down to Georgia on the second link. Last 2 polls have showed Nunn in the lead, one of which by the same pollster (Landmark) than has Purdue in the lead on July 25th.

Although this page is all you need to look at, really:

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2014/Senate//EVP_average.html
I've seen it but I've also seen the voter turnout in off year elections in Georgia. The current ads are painting Nunn as Obama's Senator. And as I staed earlier, there are other polls showing her losing.
 

jkcerda

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Although they are both corrupt, If this modern day GOP had full power, women's rights would be trampled on, SS and Medicare would be privatized and destroyed, people of color and LGBT citizens would be able to be discriminated against with no recourse, the social safety net would be eviscerated, public education would be destroyed in the name of profit, any regulation reducing pollution and contamination of our water would be rolled back, and we'd basically have Charles and David Koch's Utopia of the rich get richer and screw everyone else.
I have a hard time arguing against that.
 

bradl

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Yeah, at this point, Obama could tell us he blew Putin to get him to agree to cease all hostilities in Ukraine and to return Crimea and the Republicans would be questioning whether he swallowed, spit or got a facial.
You owe me a new monitor for this, dammit! :D :p
 

lannister80

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I've seen it but I've also seen the voter turnout in off year elections in Georgia. The current ads are painting Nunn as Obama's Senator. And as I staed earlier, there are other polls showing her losing.
Except the most recent ones (the only ones that matter) show her winning, INCLUDING one that (a) showed her losing before and (b) the one that showed her losing before is more recent than the other ones saying she was going to lose.
 

vrDrew

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There is an argument to be made that Obama - and the country - might actually be better off if the Republicans take the Senate and hold on to the House.

By the time the President vetoes the tenth or fifteenth bill to overturn Obamacare, I think the Republicans will finally recognize that they are officially out of ideas, and will have to be begin to think of actually governing a country instead of acting like lo-cal domestic terrorists.

Who knows, we may actually see a decent looking transportation bill; some action on immigration reform; and a chance to actually do something meaningful on fixing the long-term budget issues.

One thing that is certain: If the Republicans take control of the Senate, we can forget about any more Government shutdowns till after the next election cycle.
 

zioxide

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..because they'll be far too busy with impeachment proceedings.
Republicants need another way to waste time and taxpayer dollars over trivial nonsense instead of passing bills to fix this mess of a country?
 

Southern Dad

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..because they'll be far too busy with impeachment proceedings.
I don't believe they'll try impeachment. Unless there are Democrats on board. But I do believe they'll pass bills that force Obama to veto an issue that he'll want because it will have something in it, he doesn't like.