Beck: Slavery started with Innocent Ideas ended with because of regulation.

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  1. macfan881 macrumors 68020

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  2. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    Cue 5P, Shiv and the others to tell you why he is perfectly right in everything he says. And to contradict is to be un-American and a no-good liberal.
     
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    I could not even follow what he was rambling on about.

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  4. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Basically what he is saying is the government caused slavery because the government regulated something which then the farmers reacted by enslaving people..... Oh yeah, don't hold the farmers accountable for enslaving people. If it wasn't for the big bad government, the poor farmers wouldn't need to go and start the slave trade. :rolleyes:

    How disgusting.
     
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    Ahmed, eh? Interesting name . . . you wouldn't happen to be an illegal Kenyan secret-muslin radical anti-white christian racist terrorist socialist marxist nazi whose birth certificate was forged in a different country at birth decades ago so you could later move to that country, become leader of it, and create a new world order, would you?
     
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    I lol'd ;)
     
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    1) Beck is incapable of putting together a coherent argument. The metaphor of slavery as he uses it is ridiculous.
    2) Slavery has been around since one tribe of humans conquered another.
    3) The industrialization of the slave trade in the U.S. grew not out of legislation, but out of demand for cheap labor.

    Beck is an idiot.
     
  8. dscuber9000 macrumors 6502a

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    That's straight-up offensive. I really hope he loses what little advertisers he has left so he can go off the air, because you really can't say things like that and expect nothing will happen. Slavery began with innocent ideas? Could you care to explain that? :mad:
     
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    What does he know about the economy, education or health insurance?
     
  10. Heilage macrumors 68030

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    He's not making any sense...


    You know, just when you think you've seen crazy, Glenn Beck comes along and kicks it up a notch.
     
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    This is absolutely hilarious. You guys just perfectly demonstrated why Media Matters is a joke. Yes, there's 4 minutes of audio here... but still no context. Beck has explained how American slavery started on his tv show before, but since you haven't seen it, and you get all of your information from bias quasi journalists at Mediamatters and Huffpo, etc. you'll never get the whole story.

    Basically, the first Africans in America were actually hired as indentured servants. They had to put in so much time and then they got their own land. It was a common practice and there were also many white indentured servants. The transition from indentured servant to slavery was made possible through the judicial system... slowly, and the first slave owner believe it or not was a black Christian man by the name of Anthony Johnson. Beck's point was that big government which doesn't respect the rights provided to all men by their creator - if government can take our rights away - they inevitably will.

    To get to the gist of it, start at 8:40.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldb3vITVYSI&feature=related


    But oh wait! It's much easier just to call Beck an ignorant racist! :D Wow, you guys are so transparently uninformed it's hilarious. Here's a suggestion for you in the future - if it comes from Media Matters it's completely out of context and almost certainly complete BS.
     
  12. dscuber9000 macrumors 6502a

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    So... indentured servants were "innocent ideas?" I don't see how that is so much better than slavery. I don't see how it is taken out of context when they played a full 2:30 before he even made that statement. I don't see how we're calling him an ignorant racist when you're the first person here to bring up race.

    What are you doing, dude? You can't defend Beck's statement...
     
  13. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Actually I can. I just did. The fact that you aren't able to intellectually differentiate between 1) someone saying slavery itself was started with 'innocent ideas' and 2) someone saying indentured servitude designed to give non land owners an opportunity to own land in a system set up to ensure they never could and then pointing out that government played a primary role in legalizing the most despicable thing in U.S history... well, I guess it really speaks to the level types of readers media matters has. People who don't want the facts or the whole story... people who've already made up their mind and just want dirt on their perceived opponents regardless of accuracy or merit. Enjoy that. ;) I'm glad some of us can consume media from all sources and at least differentiate between real news and blatant misinformation.
     
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    Notice the "big government" line again? Yep- the government sure was big back then. :rolleyes:
     
  15. bobber205 macrumors 68020

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    Big government = governments whose actions I disagree with. ;)
     
  16. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Yep - the Royal British Empire was definitely not 'big-government'. ;) Government that destroys the God-given rights of man through the introduction of slavery is not 'big' in any sense of the word.

    BTW - sorry for ruining the thread with all of my 'facts' and actual substantive contextual information guys. I really should have let you go on a bit longer making a fool of yourselves reacting to the Media Matters garbage. Ah well, I'm sure I'll get another opportunity soon enough. ;)
     
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    Indentured servitude was abused so badly that it was slavery from the beginning! Africans were bought against their will to America under indentured servitude. Once they served their time, they were freed, and then farmers bought some other African. In fact, that's Anthony Johnson (your example of an early slave owner) got to America in the first place! I ask again, what is innocent about indentured servitude, or in the direct quote from Glenn Beck, slavery?
     
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    Interesting. That is a very bold assertion that flies in the face of what I believe most of us were taught in history class. Is there substantial evidence to support this "fact"?
     
  19. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Exactly. Guess you have Beck to thank. ;)


     
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    So, let me get this straight. You, in all seriousness, are blaming big government on slavery? Correct?
     
  21. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    I'm saying it played a huge role, yes. Any government which believes it has the right (contrasting directly with the U.S. Declaration of Independence which says our rights are endowed by 'our creator') to grant and take away basic human rights, and to classify certain groups as lesser species for enslavement... is inherently 'big'. Big does not necessarily speak to number of employees, or dollars being collected, it's an idea. One component of which is that government has the right to control our lives and to even define who we are and how we live. 'Big' as in what they attempt to control and manipulate in our lives.
     
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    However, the fact remains that John Casor's fate had absolutely nothing to do with "big government" in any sense at all.
     
  23. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    How many times do I have to explain it? :confused:

    Johnson took Robert Parker to court over Casor, and the court's decision in Johnson v Parker would set the tone for black and white relations in America for the next three hundred years. Anthony Johnson won his case, and it was decided that Casor owed Johnson his service, indefinitely. The ruling made John Casor the first person in U.S. history to officially become a slave; subsequently making Anthony Johnson the first recognized slave holder in American history.
     
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    Where exactly in the U.S. Constitution does it say that?
     

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