Bernie: Children go hungry because America has too many deodorant choices

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    I know the guy is a professed socialist but it seems he may actually take it seriously. Hillary will destroy him in the debates with his delusion that centralized control is always preferable to voluntary enterprise. He should stick to attacking crony capitalism, "too big to fail," and Obama's free trade policies which destroy American jobs? What's he got against deodorant, anyway?
     
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    Out of context, are we?
     
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    I think he's arguing against excess, though in this case, I'd say he's missing the mark. Having multiple choices enforced through competition is one of the things that made capitalism work so well here in the US. Competition drives innovation and ingenuity up, while driving prices down. The only downside is, yeah, a ridiculous amount of deodorant choices. I'd take that over no choice at all any day.

    But really, it's an aside. It doesn't reflect upon, nor is endemic of the problems currently facing our ever shrinking middle class. I'd say the roots of that evil would be too much corporate influence in DC, causing them to bend almost exclusively to their interests, all backed by good old fashioned greed.
     
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    I think both you and the Washington Post (you're in good company) are taking Sanders out of context.

    From an economic and social perspective he is absolutely correct. If, for every extra $1 million in GDP growth; $990,000 goes to the CEO; and the remaining 99 employees get one crisp new Benjamin tucked into the Christmas pay envelope - it become unsustainable. The CEO simply buys another BMW M6 and parks the rest in his kids trust fund; meanwhile the rest of the schlubs blow their hunnerd dollars it at Wal-Mart.

    The technical term for this phenomenon is that the rich have a somewhat different utility of money than the rest of us. They typically will save or invest excess income. That can useful when investment capital is in short supply. But that simply is not the case in today's economy; and in fact too much investment capital simply fuels investment bubbles, rather than the construction of productive assets. Non-rich people tend to spend additional income - creating a market for products. And putting some of that excess capital to good use.
     
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    His point is that our priorities are wrong when we throw so many resources at trivial things- like having 23 varieties of spray deodorant- and so few at important things like poverty.
     
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    Here's his quote according to the blog ...
    That you would spin this as, "Bernie: Children go hungry because America has too many deodorant choices," shows a child-like level of political analysis.
     
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    We're not "throwing resources" at deodorant. Those 23 varieties exist because 23 varieties is what the market (i.e. consumers) supports. Is the variety of jumbo flat-screen televisions or the variety of computers or the variety of automobiles available to the consumer a bad thing? Anyway, I don't see the linkage between consumer choice and hunger. I doubt Bernie does, either. He was probably exhausted when he made that comment.

    Secondly, the U.S. has spent trillions of dollars fighting poverty since LBJ's Great Society.

    Bernie has some very good things to say about corporate and political corruption. It's when he gets excited and begins channelling Eugene Debs that he sounds like a raving wild-eyed Wobbly fanatic.
     
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    You may have a point.

    But it is worth recalling that Eugene Debs wasn't agitating for welfare spending. He was agitating for better pay and working conditions for ordinary working people. And I think that is something that is sorely missing in today's economy.

    The Atlantic had a great article on this subject.

    You see this trend in just about every low wage sector of the economy. Retail staff, for instance, find themselves nickled-and-dimed out of hours and wages by so-called "demand" staffing software, that expects them to be on call - but then sends them home early if store traffic is slow. Its hard enough to survive on retail pay - it becomes impossible if your paycheck is randomly cut by $50 or $100 each week just to keep the regional manager's bonus in the mid five figures.
     
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    Why rub perfumed aluminum on your armpits when you can just carry a flask filled with 95 to 96 percent ABV vodka and splash a little under your armpits when you notice you've started smelling a little too gamey?

    Eh, comrade?
     
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    So does this mean we are going to have to add one more category to the over crowded "ism" list? Bidenisms, Trumpisms, and now Sanderisms. All politicians have them, but these guys are the most current. But you never know what one comment might do. Dan Quayle and his misspelling of potato (sp?) seemed to assist him into political oblivion.
     
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    The Bern's outlook on this matter just plain stinks. ;)
     
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    It quite impressive how you manage to pack so much Reichwing foolishness; paranoia; outright untruth; and irrelevancy into a single post. Seasoned carelessly with racism and a dollop of pure pure spite.

    Todays Republican lunch menu. Served courtesy of the Koch Brothers, with a Kosher meal paid for by the Sheldon Adelson Foundation to Buy the Next President.
     
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    That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard Bernie Sanders say.
     
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    Red under the bed talk.....

    The 1960's is long gone, you can calm down now ;)
     
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    Except that he didn't say that. It's pretty clear the column's author, Mr. Tankersley, didn't get it. Sanders is saying it ridiculous to have kids going to bed hungry when CEOs and their companies are making so much money that they don't know what to do with it.

    So instead of using some of that money for better wages, they plow it into an increasingly ridiculous number of variations on products we already have plenty of. Maybe when this reaches its absolute pinnacle of absurdity we'll have bacon-n-cheddar body wash or something.

    Conservatism is the new Red Menace.

    Of course, the old red scare was faked up, and supposedly operated in clandestine ways. This one is all too real, and operates right out in the open.
     
  18. Meister, Sep 15, 2015
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    I assumed that Citizenzens quote fron Sanders blog was acurate.

    Wages and product variety are not related in the way you are describing.
    That's ridicolous nonsense.

    It's the same sort if idiotic logic that certain people in europe use when they try to "save water" because someone in africa or california doesn't have enough of it.
     
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    Ha, pulling out THAT card?! Wow.

    Did you even see the links? She was a part of the school lunch changes for public schools and kids are starving while her daughters dine on 5 star cuisine in their .0000000000001% only private school.
     
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    The problem that I see with your reading of Sander's statement, is that you're putting the emphasis on what amounts to a punchline, and ignoring the build-up, which is the more substantive part of the statement.

    Let's look again at the statement ...

    This is the real meat of the quote, where Sanders talks about the fundamental problem where, "99 percent of all the new income goes to the top 1 percent." Under those circumstances it doesn't matter (or matters less) whether the economy grows, because the vast preponderance of that growth will not be shared with the middle class.

    His last line is meant as a colorful illustration. It's meant to grab attention, but it shouldn't be considered literally as, "Children go hungry because America has too many deodorant choices." That's just a ridiculous reading of his statement. It should be clear that he's saying that children go hungry because 99 percent of all the new income goes to the top 1 percent, that people continue to work long hours for low wages, and that we have 45 million people living in poverty.

    Do you honestly not see that?
     
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    Is Bern aware that nobody is hungry and starved in America?

    Fat chance. C'mon. Michelle's been working on preventing obesity in the young. So Bern's looking for an incorrect assumption on which to make a point.
     
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    He makes a good point about income equality.

    However his point about climate change, growth and varities I disagree with.

    He is mixing up unrelated topics.
     
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    He hasn't dropped the hammer yet that in order to pay for it all everyone is gonna hand over 60% of their income. But hey, look at all the "free stuff" we get!!!!!!!!

    When is the first democratic primary debate? I wanna hear the liar and the socialist club each other over the head.
     

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