Bernie Feels the Bern of His Anti-Clinton Delegates

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  1. thermodynamic Suspended

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    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/bernie-sanders-delegates-speech-philadelphia

    Article has more... the reader comments are interesting, too.
     
  2. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    Bernie got Berned by those with a back bone :D
     
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    With the revelations about Debbie Wasserman-Schulz and how the Democratic Party conspired with the Clinton campaign, there's a good chance they could actually lose to Trump.

    It is now established fact that Hilary forced the president of the party to sully her office and break party rules, and to disenfranchise voters by intentionally not having many polling stations in areas Bernie polled highly in. Even when she wins the nomination, before she runs for President it will have been established that she couldn't fairly win her own party's nomination and is only on the ticket through lies and deceit.

    Neither candidate has credibility any more; neither party has credibility any more.

    Bernie has run as an independent for most of his life. He's attracted a huge amount of financing from individual donors. It would takes balls of steel, but this could be a once-in-a-lifetime chance to break the two-party system open.

    America badly needs some radical political change beyond just overturning Citizens United. Republicans are too deeply invested in the NRA and general obstructionism to get anything done, and are turning down a dangerous path; the Democrats have long-since been out of touch with ordinary working folks (as the overwhelming support for Bernie's "radical", "socialist" platform has demonstrated).

    I was in NY recently, and a guy (who looked like he was on something) collapsed in the street next to me. I wanted to call an ambulance, but a cop actually told me it was probably best not to - the guy might be upset because it would cost him $500. What a country!

    Bernie is exactly who you need to fix this mess. He's honest, he's not scared of proposing big changes if he thinks they make sense and are the right thing to do, and he has credibility outside of the party system. His platform is the bare minimum that I would consider needs to change before I consider the USA a "developed country" ever again.
     
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    The problem is that anybody who would prefer to have someone go independent is afraid that the "other party" would win because of vote siphoning. We are all chickens that way.
     
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    Amen. well most anyways.
     
  6. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Nah....Bernie is too old and too tainted to lead things forward. New leadership is needed. But who?
     
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    Trump :D
     
  8. iShater macrumors 604

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    I blame Ross Perot for ruining it for everybody.

    We need "good" vs. new leadership.
     
  9. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    if you want "good", try Gary J, much better than either of the leading crooked worthless candidates the 2 major crap houses put forward.

    I blame the fact people are too chicken **** to have the back bone to do what it needs to be done. be the change you want to see.
     
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    General Mattis. He doesn't want it, which means he would be Worlds better than the last several decades of Presidents.
     
  11. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    ****metamucil, when you have to **** bricks****
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    Nah, he's a cool dude.
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    Being a realist is not being "afraid".

    It is essentially impossible for a third party to win in the current electoral college system.
    I'm not sure how this is a "revelation" to anyone. It's been clear since June 2008 that this was going to be "Hillary's turn".

    Short of abolishing the electoral college and house districts and instituting proportional representation, nothing will change. The system is designed to keep the powerful in power. Replacing the puppet won't replace the system.

    See the willful obstruction Obama has faced. Bernie would be no different. Until we change Congress, we won't change a damn thing. The Presidency is a public relations puppeteer position.
     
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    Perot voters from 1992 might want to remember that. So far all they're doing is blanketing blaming Bernie when anyone has a choice to run and convince the most voters of being the best suited and inclusive of all Americans. It's effectively a sales pitch of sorts.

    And Bernie raises points in all fairness, it's just strange to watch how his supporters aren't following, unless he's not doing a good job at reassuring them that Hillary is the real deal. He's deflected to some of Trump's negative talking points, but he should be being more encouraging, reminding people of the similarities between himself and Clinton, the 93% of the time they voted the same on the issues, and so on. Yet the first thing he does is avoid the meaty stuff and just say the T-word, which only shows "more of the same since both sides do it".
     
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    I lost a lot of respect for Bernie for not taking it to the end. He promised he would fight to the convention, instead ha caved to the machine. No wonder his supporters are angry.
     
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    worthlees sellout , that he is.
     
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    That's the point I was making - I think Bernie has a shot as a 3rd-party candidate. He's raised unprecedented amounts of money from individuals (so his message is resonating) and there are huge numbers of disenfranchised voters on both sides . When I was in NY, I was shocked at how many people take Trump seriously as a candidate; as a European, everybody here considers him a total joke and doesn't take what he says seriously at all. People were praising his honesty, and were particularly mistrustful of Hilary on that same point of honesty. If it's going to be a theme, Bernie can definitely compete on that issue.

    Bernie "tells it like it is" like no other candidate - about the USA's true position compared to the rest of the world. Americans are getting the short-end of the deal; again, this was my first time in NY, and the people I saw worked their asses off. There was a guy at the Deli who literally seemed to work around the clock. He just laughed when I asked him when he gets time to sleep (and sure enough, early the next morning he was there, busy like he hadn't even left). It's crushingly depressing to think of all the opportunities they are denied; because of policies which we take for granted in Europe, like free university education and healthcare. There were posters advertising years of studying to take menial medical-assistant roles, whereas in Europe the same posters advertise that you can be the surgeon or the dentist.

    He's (rightly) terrified of the prospect of Trump winning. I think the revelations about the DNC have changed things fundamentally - it's no longer speculation; it is fact that Hilary didn't even win the nomination fairly. She goes in to the election with a big bucket of taint splashed over her.

    Bernie would be an unprecedented (in modern times) viable third option on the ticket. Who knows how it could go? He could win, but he might also fracture the democratic base enough to allow Trump to sweep in to power.

    Like I said, it would require balls of steel. It's hard to blame him for being unwilling to gamble with the future of the country. It's as honourable an action as you would expect from him, and he's been perfectly honest about it.
     
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    Bernie turned around & sold out.
     
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    Ridiculously unfair. Bernie lives in the real world, one full of shades of grey, not some black and white forum fantasy world. He's pragmatic. He needs to be able to be effective in the Senate, especially given his new found power. Burning bridges isn't the way to do that. He got the best he could get. He moved Hillary left, he got his some of his people writing the platform, he got quite a few of his ideas into the platform. He's smart enough to see that Hillary, warts and all, is better than Trump.
     
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    Bernie is an old fool, simple as that.
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    Boy, you're right about his supporters being angry. Watch this:

    (3:44 to 4:02 are GREAT!)

     
  22. D.T. macrumors 604

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    You should probably slow down cowboy, you're going to hurt yourself ... :D
     
  23. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    already did, got "berned" by the sellout.
     
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    I say to any Bernie supporters if you can't bring yourself to Vote for Hillary Clinton then Vote for Gary Johnson! :eek:
     
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    Or Dr. Jill Stein, who philosophically is much closer to Bernie than Hillary.
     

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