Bernie takes West Virginia(!) Hillary the also-ran again

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    NBC calls WV for The Socialist!

    May 10: West Virginia Democratic Primary
    Bernie Sanders

    48% (Projected Winner: 13 del.)
    18,636

    Hillary Clinton
    42% 9 del.
    16,352
    Hillary is going to lose in a landslide to Trump. That's just how it is.
     
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    feel the Bern, hope he does get the nomination
     
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    Bern will feel the Bern at the convention, he already knows the cards have been dealt.
     
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    he should join the dark side and go with trump :eek:
     
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    Hillary and Trump are going to be the most disliked presidential nominees ever.
     
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    Based on what? West Virginia wouldn't be going for any Democrat no matter who it was. If Trump was running as a Democrat he would lose this state.
     
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    Man. You and Bill Clinton:

    Even Bill Clinton, who once connected deeply with white working-class families in states like West Virginia, was met with some resistance as he campaigned there this month. For many in the region, the former president acknowledged, there was perhaps little to be done to sway the vote. But for the campaign, he said, the swing through West Virginia was a significant symbolic gesture, not a last-ditch bid to win Tuesday’s primary.

    “Look, here’s the deal. That wasn’t about getting votes, for her or for me,” Bill Clinton said, stopping to answer questions after a recent campaign event in California.
    That last is for those who wondered if Bill's still got the ability to lie with a straight face. See, they're not running for votes, y'see, they're just running for symbolism. Yeah right.

    West Virginia has stopped voting for Democrats because Democrats are trying to put the state's voters out of work.
     
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    Aaaaand, you didn't answer or even address the question. A remarkable common thing for right wingers/Trump supporters on this forum I have noticed. People in WV are not a fan of Obama. Hillary has tied herself to Obama. Thus people don't want to vote for her there. And that was before her stupid coal miner comments even! It's not rocket science.
     
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    Bubba was sent to WV because he used to connect with the voters there (sheesh, I even bolded the text for you!). That Democrats have poisoned the well with working people in this country is not surprising. It's going to cost Hillary the election.
     
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    It doesn't matter who was sent there. It was a waste of resources as she was never going to win there. The minute she tied herself to Obama that ship sailed.
     
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    You seem to not understand.

    If West Virginians don't like Hillary, it is proof that Liberals are correct.

    Likewise, if West Virginians do like Hillary, it is proof that Liberals are correct.

    The only alternative - you need to understand - to voters disagreeing with Liberals, is that the voters are idiots and/or racists and/or bigots and/or repeat.
     
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    Is that what you think that I think? You couldn't be more wrong.
     
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    Hillary said she will put coal miners in the unemployment line. WV is coal county. Not surprised she did poorly.
     
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    Yes, that's exactly what she said. :rolleyes:

     
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    So we agree. Obama and Democrats have lost the support of working people.
     
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    I quibble with your term "working people" since anyone who has a job and goes to work is a "working person", but if you are referring to blue collar demographics in coal country, yes, absolutely. Some of it is warranted some is not. For instance, it's not Obama's fault that technology has made coal mining possible using far less people. It's not Obama's fault that natural gas is becoming a cheaper solution that is replacing coal. It's not Obama's fault that after many decades of mining, a number of the mines are depleted. It's not like a forest that constantly grows and can be replanted. Thus this area of the country needs a long term plan for job replacement because coal is a dying industry. And that's what is Obama's fault. There hasn't been a decent plan to address this problem and the changing needs.
     
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    Use automation and advances in technology to replace minimum wage jobs, and it's merely the market moving on. Evolve or die.

    Do the same for a popular demographic among the Republicans, and it's yet another example of how out of touch the Democrats are with the working class.

    It's amazing how each "side" will use the same arguments, pro and con, under different circumstances.
     
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    Oh please! Obama and Hillary have both made their desire to see workers in the coal industry put out of jobs:

    “So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted,” Obama said during a 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle’s editorial board.

    The trip, through areas where coal was once king, has highlighted past comments Clinton has made about the energy source, including saying at a CNN town hall in Ohio in March that, as president, she was going to "put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."​
     
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    That's not what she said. She said we (meaning the United States) are going to put a lot of coal miners out of business. For all the reasons I listed above (and which you completely ignored).

    As for Obama, sure, it's no secret that he is against global climate change and recognizes the danger it poses. I do suspect if he had known that market forces would have played out the way they did, he wouldn't have said that as there wouldn't have been any need.
     
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    Hillary's Kentucky campaign is unraveling. That's coal country and the proud Kentuckians know that Hillary intends to take away their livelihood which is why Bernie is ahead. Next, Oregon.
     
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    Where's your proof that the quote I provided is not correct? Because it's clear from her complete statement that she expected her policies to put coal mine workers out of work:

    “I’m the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country — because we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim?”​

    You lost me. Obama is against climate change so he would have bankrupted the coal industry, but since he mishandled the economy so badly, it happened anyway?
     
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    Quote the whole thing and stop being so ****ing disengenuous.

     
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    Settle down, you're getting testy.

    All your additional text did was include Hillary's lies about how the Feds were going to take care of the coal miners after the Feds put them out of work!
     
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    Not testy at all. Just tired of you posting ******** all day long. I'll now go back to not engaging with you.
     
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    I'll so miss your creative use of asterisks in a debate. Ta!
     

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