I want to know which deal really has the best bang for the buck. With the new MBPs, you're mostly paying for the look. You can argue no heat on the new ones...But then, there's the smcfancontrol app... You can argue that the new macs have gestures, but that can be hacked on the older ones and work just as well... I'm half ass about the "beefier" graphics card.. (9600) because I have yet to see ONE benchmark test in which it is even close to blowing away the 8600.. Anyways...now that my rant is over, I would love to hear your inputs, and the pros and cons. 15" Classic Macbook Pro (Refurb)- $1,349 (Pretty much the cost of a macbook). 2.53Ghz. Not currently in stock on Apple Refurb page, so I don't really have the other specs. ________________________________________________ 15" Unibody Macbook Pro - (1,799 including $100 rebate) "Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz, 15" Display, 2GB DDR3, 250GB SATA, Nvidia GeForce 9600M 256MB, 8X SuperDrive, Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T, Airport Extreme, Bluetooth 2.0+EDR & iSight, OS X 10.5 Leopard" CLICK HERE ________________________________________________ 17" Classic Macbook Pro (Refurb) $1,899, 2.66GHz 17-inch high-resolution widescreen display 2GB memory 200GB hard drive; 7200 rpm 8x SuperDrive NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory Built-in iSight Camera CLICK HERE TO VIEW ________________________________________________ 17 Unibody Macbook Pro This one doesn't even need to be explained. We all know that it is beast with that purported 8hr battery...but is it worth the $1,000 extra that will burn a deep, and flaming hole in my pocket? ____________________ I've heard that the old 17" has a really dim display is this true? I've also heard this for the 15"... And I'm starting to hear this for the new ones, can someone fill me in with the details please? ____________________ But yeah, all I need your inputs regarding the best overall deal. Thanks.