"Best Gaming Experience On Any Platform"

Discussion in 'MacRumors News Discussion (archive)' started by MacRumors, Oct 21, 2001.

  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    There's no doubt gaming fans who have made the switch to Mac OS X have been enjoying the truly impressive performance of some early native ports to the platform. Quake 3 Arena, Alice, Sacrifice, etc. Well, get ready to be even more impressed. Now available for order at the Apple Store is Giants: Citizen Kabuto, heralded as one of--if not the, most impressive 3D games on the PC.

    OmniGroup ported this PC title, which will be sold by MacPlay, to OS X and in doing so made the game multiprocessor aware (which the PC original is not) and also made use of custom OpenGL extensions for the GeForce 3, to access its advanced pixel shader technology. OmniGroup made a statement a short while back indicating that Giants on a G4 dual-500 with GeForce 2 ran faster on the fastest GeForce 3-equipped Athlon out there. Quite impressive. What's more impressive are the recent comments made by MacPlay president Mark Cottam about the game (quoted from a MacObserver article):

    The talented engineers at Omni Group have implemented SMP (Symmetric Multi Processor) support into Giants, which takes advantage of Mac OS X's symmetric multiprocessing feature when running the dual processor Power Mac G4. Playing Giants on a dual 800 MHz Power Mac G4 with Mac OS X and a GeForce 3 graphics accelerator will be the best gaming experience one could enjoy on any platform."

    So for once, the Mac faithful stand at the absolute pinncale of gaming performance, of all the platforms out there. This is a very exciting time for Mac gamers. The future of Mac gaming looks extremely bright thanks to the power brought by OS X.
  2. Some Guy Guest

    Now if only...

    Now if only I could use Mac OS X for actual WORK instead of playing games. I can barely even just use the Internet on it right now. IE 5.1 has some really annoying bugs in it on top of 5's, most web content plugins won't work, the Java is touted as being the best but it also barely works.

    All productivity software requires a full purchase upgrade and they are still so flaky (partly their fault and partly Mac OS X's) why bother. Plus much hardware still won't work with Mac OS X unless Apple engineers themselves wrote drivers for it apparently.

    Who cares if it has UNIX inside if I cant print to a label printer in the shipping area or run my custom AppleScripts using third-party OSAX that won't work near term or at all on OS X.

    Maybe I could use RealBASIC, oh wait it breaks with nearly change made to OS X.

    Hmm, a Dual 800 G4, Mac OS X all to play a friggin game for a few weeks? Yeah, thats how I want to spend my money at WORK.

    About the only thing OS X is good for is as a server, and even then the hardware is not server orientated so you must hand hold it to keep it from totally dying on you.

    Good job Apple! You finally made an OS for everyone that NO ONE can use!

    I hate to say it, but the Windoze XP actually looks like a better OS. Its interface looks much better than OS X (cleaner, none of those damned lines through EVERYTHING), and has all the same features as OS X has but don't quite work properly or as nice as on OS 9.

    Yeah its Windoze, but damn the hardware is cheaper, all the high end CAD/CAM software is for Windoze except few select UNIX apps and you can actually use hardware with it.

    OS X would be great if it actually lived up to the hype, oh wait there IS NO MARKETING FOR OS X by Apple. Geeze time to sell my shares...
  3. Pants macrumors regular

    Aug 21, 2001
    your whingeing about REALBasic support and you have access to a unix command line and all the free compilers you could wish for? jeez - maybe you should go try windows XP - after all, it was designed for dummies.
  4. Kela macrumors 6502

    May 12, 2001

    PEOPLE THE NEW TITANIUM G4 is out!!! GO TO APPLE.com. IS THIS OLD NEWS OR AM I CRAZY!?!?!?, 667 Megahertz!!!
  5. blakespot Administrator


    Jun 4, 2000
    Alexandria, VA

    Kela, you're about a week late on that one.

    Some Guy, OS X works fine for me, for "work." I prefer Aqua to XP's Luna interface as well. Funny, I was reading a Maximum PC article just now comparing OS X and XP's interfaces, and they jabbed at OS X saying that it's multi-column Finder file interface looks an awful lot like Windows Explorer's old interface, accusingly.

    I guess it does. OS X basically _is_ the latest version of NEXTSTEP, which was released in 1988, which is where Windows 95 copied their Explorer interface from.

    I find that amusing.

    The fact that we're getting gaming performance like this on OS X is an indication of the power of the hardware and the OS itself. This translates into high performance for "work" as well. Sounds a bit like the "it's just a game machine" argument people threw against the Amiga back in the day, when they didn't know what multimedia was. Anyway, sounds like you should go build yourself a nice XP box, Some Guy.


    [Edited by blakespot on 10-21-2001 at 06:05 PM]
  6. mymemory macrumors 68020


    May 9, 2001
    I'm agree with the dude about the OS X

    For me OS X steel useless at this point yet. It is like having a very "cool thing" that doen't have any real use yet. Most of the people I see using it are mac freaks. OS X it is not that popular yet, may be in a year from now. I do not see the sense of a "very cool" to play games, what is the point? where are the real 3D production softwares like Alias Power Animator, Maya or Soft Image. If I see any of thouse soft running fine in a Mac with OS X a can say something have been done, for now running games is for people that haven't teaste a real computer doing real work.
  7. setanor macrumors newbie

    Oct 21, 2001
    just some thoughts

    is it just me, or is maya out for OSX?

    most of you seem to take this as a compliment to the OS and the hardware, seeing as this is coming from the software distributor actually makes it seem more like a comment on the game itself... if a game like deus ex had SMP support, it would be a much better "gaming experience"
  8. JoeBob Guest


    So, you need to spend $3000 to get a good gaming experience on a Mac? Apple, you need to make a mini-tower system that is inexpensive and one that gamer's can use... without having to spend $3000.
  9. whitegold macrumors member

    Oct 3, 2001
    Brisbane, Australia
    Performance is not everything

    I'm first to be impressed with this level of gaming performance. Giants is a real test of even the highest end in hardware, and to see it run so well is excellent.

    My inevitable conclusion, though? I loved this game. Nearly a year ago.

    Apple need to really push hard at getting a wider range of newer games. There are newer and more innovative titles available, than this, and Apple really needs to do their best to encourage parallel development of titles.

    I know this is happening (wolfenstein, etc) but it's rare, and seems to be confined to limited developers, such as Id.

    I wish them luck on it, though.

  10. Pants macrumors regular

    Aug 21, 2001
    Blake, your insistance that osX is a new version of Next step is more likely to drive people away than thrown their hands up and say 'yah!". The was a reason why it failed to catch on first time round - and lets hope Jobs isn't retreading old ground again.

    And I woul agree with whitegold - if Apple really do want the best gaming platform (which looking at their current expensive line up, is highly doubtful.....), then they do need to help out developers a little more, and encourage parallel porting. Currently, even though one game may run top on a dual 800 (which is a mighty expensive machime lets not forget, and after a lot of tweaking), its not saying much for the platform as a whole. The real test will come with doom 3, unreal 2 and the like - and that test will be 'how long will they take to arrive after the pc fomat?'.

  11. spikey macrumors 6502a

    Apr 26, 2001
    lol, kela where have u been my different thinking friend? ;)

    [Edited by spikey on 10-22-2001 at 07:53 AM]
  12. blakespot Administrator


    Jun 4, 2000
    Alexandria, VA

    I couldn't decipher why you're saying NEXTSTEP did not catch on the first time. Let's also recall that it was aimed and marketed towards academic/scientific markets--definitely not consumer.

    DOOM 3 will almost certainly be a parallel release for OS X and Windows. Recall that Quake 3 was released first on the Mac (Q3Test beta)--about 3 weeks ahead of PC release. (And that DOOM was developed in NEXTSTEP.)

  13. Pants macrumors regular

    Aug 21, 2001
    next step may have been aimed at the scientific market, but it fell well short - mainly because the boxes were so damned expensive, and there were better/cheaper options to go for. Research money has to be justified, and sadly its hard to justify a lot on a computer when a cheaper one will do the same thing.

    as for quake 3 - yeah the test was released early for the mac (because the user base is small, or so the read me said :mad: But when the game was released, how long did we have to wait???!! almost 3 months..... I really doubt doom will be a simultaneous release - unreal 2 certainly wont be, and I cant see doom 3 being any better.
  14. snowman macrumors member

    Sep 3, 2001
    I don't care how bad some of you guys think OSX is — This is good news, way to go!
  15. Newton-Man macrumors member

    Oct 17, 2001
    Scammonden, UK

    On my Dual800/1.5gb with Geforce 3 64mb and 17" Studio Display (ADC) is amazing at games, in OS X.1.

    I think the MAC RULES! at games.


  16. Obsidian macrumors member

    Oct 10, 2001
    Victoria, BC, Canada
    There is a change in the air....

    People are seeming to forget how much of an improvement that Apple has made in the recent past. I have played many games on the G4, such as Unreal, Deus ex, Quake 3, and a few other good FPS's. They have all ran much better on the g4, regardless of OS, and with the upgrade to OSX, Quake 3 was one hell of an imressive experience on my neighbors 21" monitor.

    Just think of the performance increases that will come with the G5. If the G5 does end up showing itself in the firs quarter of 2002, it will be just in time to play Halo. Let us all hope that Halo is ported to OSX(unless microshack tries to hold it back).

    Whats all of this talk about Image Writer not being for OSX? Correct me if I am wrong, but hasnt it been announced for OSX, but just not released yet?

    But as it stands, have we all forgotten that any computer shipped with OSX, also has 9.1 classic? This means that you can have the best gaming experience AND have your other apps work on the mac.

    I have never seend a new innovative pc come with 2 OS's!
    Hell! I have never even seen a new innovative PC!
  17. whitegold macrumors member

    Oct 3, 2001
    Brisbane, Australia
    Strange attitude

    Seems strange to me that you're saying it comes with two operating systems like it's an amazing feature.

    OS9 is not in there because it's such an amazing option. It's there because it has to be. It's there because OSX is still a work in progress when it comes to app support.

    Hell, Windows XP still contains Dos. Isn't that the same thing? Well... no, but you get my point... :)

  18. Obsidian macrumors member

    Oct 10, 2001
    Victoria, BC, Canada
    I get yer point

    I do get your point, but what I am trying to say is that 'Some Guy' was wrong in saying its usleless to have osx if he could only play games on it.

    At this point in time, he may only be able to play games on it, but untill that changes, he has classic to back him up, so it is not a waste of money after all; just a maching with a great os that will get even better instead of worse.

    You get my point? :)
  19. whitegold macrumors member

    Oct 3, 2001
    Brisbane, Australia
    improving support

    I see now :)

    Yeah... hopefully the anti x people will be sated more and more as OS updates and new native versions start coming through..

    What really surprises me is how long it's taken for some big companies to update (whitegold makes a cough that sounds suspiciously like the word adobe).

    Still one inevitable things is that there will never be LESS support than there is now.. only ever more. So it will have to get better.

    On thing Apple really needs to do is everything it can to hasten the moment when people no longer need to use classic. Ever. For anything. I know personally I'd be kind of annoyed if I had to have Windows XP for my "latest and greatest OS" and windows 98 also installed for all my work software. It's not the ideal solution, and the sooner Apple, and Apple users, can complete the migration the better for everyone...
  20. spikey macrumors 6502a

    Apr 26, 2001
    Im not anti OSX. But i would like to know if it is really worth having it on a rev a imac, until i upgrade.
    (reminding u that it has a 233Mhz G3)

  21. imacguy macrumors newbie

    Oct 25, 2001
    Get it on your iMac!

    Im not anti OSX. But i would like to know if it is really worth having it on a rev a imac, until i upgrade.
    (reminding u that it has a 233Mhz G3)
    I've got a 266 Mhz G3 iMac and OS X is quite functional now that it's 10.1..... Put it on your iMac, get the window compression "hack" and the performance is quite impressive. Not quite as fast as 9.2 but a far, far cry from 10.0 or 10.0.4.

    I can use my digital cam with it now, though my webcam and CD burner doesn't work (most do now though). My burner will get a fix soon enough and i'll probably get a firewire webcam with my new flat-panel iMac if they ever release them.
  22. spikey macrumors 6502a

    Apr 26, 2001
  23. oldMac macrumors 6502a

    Oct 25, 2001
    games on the mac...

    I've got to say that gaming has come a *long* way on the Mac in the past couple of years...

    If you'll remember, it was only a couple of years ago when no major PC releases came to the Mac at all.

    We should all thank 3 companies for helping and bringing awareness of the Mac gaming community.

    1) Ambrosia
    Thank Ambrosia for turning out games that made PC users envious even while most game companies were dropping support for the Mac. (Maelstrom still rocks!)

    2) Bungie
    Thank Bungie for taking 1st person gaming to a new level with their introduction of Marathon... And gaining the respect of a lot of 1st person perspective programmers on the PC side. (Of course, Pathways into Darkness was cool, too. :)

    3) id Software
    Thank id Software for having the balls to support multi-platform releases, not because it would make them more money, but because they recognized the benefits and entertainment value of a multi-platform world.

    [Edited by oldMac on 10-27-2001 at 08:46 PM]
  24. spikey macrumors 6502a

    Apr 26, 2001
  25. sparkleytone macrumors 68020


    Oct 28, 2001
    Greensboro, NC

    most of the naysayers dont seem to realize the OS X is not only one of the greatest platforms ever created, but that it is the REASON (from what i've seen in my store) why people are converting (including me) I for one cannot stand using 9 or earlier for the plain and simple reason that my winblows boxes multitask circles around old mac OS's . that said, an OS with mac stability and performance, with apple's commitment to excellence, and with such an open ended and proven groundwork as UNIX/BSD is truly creating waves for the future. let's just hope that being so ahead of the curve again doesn't lead to dropping the product because people dont understand it...again. give apple time, all the developers are bringing out the products...and they will run bigger better faster more.


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