best pepper spray against vicious dog

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  1. 63dot macrumors 603

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    I live in rural area where I come in contact with unruly dogs sometimes. Today my small Shih Tzu and I were jumped by a large dog. Luckily, nothing happened and I fought it back but next time may not be so lucky.

    I used to sell a ton of firearms, pepper spray, and all types of knives in a retail sports store. I never personally felt the need to have any of them but have always supported their responsible use.

    But I am thinking pepper spray against vicious dogs (or as one policeman suggested wasp spray). At most maybe a knife.

    Does that work?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  3. mudslag macrumors regular

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    That's what the Shih Tzu is for.
     
  4. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    You would be better off with a loud personal attack alarm over pepper spray. Don't get me wrong pepper spray with hurt the dog but it'll blind it and it with lash out at anything it's near.
     
  5. Southern Dad macrumors 65816

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    If the dog is snarls and threatens you, in a loud stern voice order it back. It it still insists on attacking...

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    anything less, your life and limb is at risk as well as your dog. Have you ever seen how a dog reacts to spray? Each dog is different but some may attack the person holding the spray because they rightly believe them to be the cause of their grief.

    Spray, may or may not work. You can't use a sonic dog repellent because it will effect your dog, too.
     
  6. skunk macrumors G4

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    Or, of course, you could just wrestle it to the ground and bite its ear. That usually does the trick, in my experience.
     
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    Only six replies to a gun reference. Actually took longer than I expected!
     
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    A good dog with a gun is the best defence.
     
  9. 63dot, Nov 8, 2014
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    Everything I have seen on the heavy duty spray (bear, wasp, etc) seems to indicate unless the attacking dog is a silicon based alien dog, it's going down with such a spray. But I was also thinking small knife if needed.

    But a gun, that's for an entirely different purpose and I am sure it has many, many legitimate uses, but in this case it would be as overkill as having Apache helicopters escort me around the woods. ;)

    There's a certain point that if anybody carries a gun for so much as to use it against dogs in the above scenario I mentioned, that person is just as likely to decide that if they are short on cash they are going to rob a bank, well, because it's easy and they are armed. I saw far too many people we refused gun sales to due explicitly to their decision to take guns lightly. I will fight for the right to bear arms like many fellow democrats and most republicans, but I can't think of too many who think that "pepper spray is not enough" and that I should carry a gun.

    Yes, after the attack and fighting to stay on my feet and protect both my dog and myself, I was in the heat of the moment and would have easily used a gun or thought it was a good idea. But hours later the absurdity of the gun thing, and the craziness of carrying it here in California (where most cops can't even get that right according to my cop friend who mentioned wasp spray), comes to light. In such an attack I can safely say even the most peace loving hippie would have pulled the trigger so it goes to show it's not exactly a great idea. Now if I am a cop on duty or a soldier, it's a part of my job to be armed. If I am a store clerk in the ghetto, then yes to handguns, too. But going on a dog walk? Gun? No.

    I have heard the argument that if we all had guns, then crime would go down and nobody would hold up any places. I was driving listening to my left vs. right ABC news radio show and that argument was solved the day Texas allowed easier access to carrying heat. On that day, 19 banks were hit by armed robbers, but not just bank hits with guns, but significantly in every case from people who had no prior felonies! So freakin' much for packing heat to make things safer. "You can't grow criminals by giving out guns" argument didn't seem to hold water that day either and it showed that even non-criminals don't have any business in carrying a gun around. Had a bad day, short on rent money, lost a bet, or want something to buy you can't afford were some of the reasons these new bank robbers gave. Would you, as a cop, been able to foresee this day? (I think sometime in 1990s when Texas was going through this debate in their legislatue). Today things are much more permissive on guns and it truly scares me.
     
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    Ammonia in a squirt bottle. Dogs have a very acute sense of smell....
     
  11. 63dot thread starter macrumors 603

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    This is why I put it in PRSI.

    Where it's one thing to talk pepper spray and pocket knives and not get south on this topic into heated left vs. right mud slinging eventually not relating to original post, somebody has to bring up guns if pepper spray and knives are mentioned.

    I should have made a disclaimer in thread title but it's too late now. Again, guns good for many uses, but not protection around town walking my dog. I just want opinions on dog walk protection but ultimately right wingers are probably going to call me some clueless liberal/peacenick because I refuse to pack. Is it that long ago that some quiet, pathetic, lonely man without a movie star girlfriend named Jodie Foster ended up on same street as a certain American president?
     
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    Ask the mailman/person. They have lots of experience with this kind of thing.
     
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    Simple answer..........Get a bigger dog.

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    ....Like to see you do that to an American Pit Bull.

    I have a 47 pound 5 month old female that your welcome to have a go with.
     
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    It took me about 8-10 seconds to fight off dog and I wished I was quicker. What I needed wasn't a bigger dog, since I was carrying him, just bigger testicles.

    But the good thing is last week I bought a very roomy pair of jeans and my advancing age has made them grow a bit so I am headed there. At least when I bend over I don't smash them. Yay Levi's (model not available to my immediate memory).

    That being said, while that part of anatomy is bigger, they don't work all that hard and have become lazy in their latter years.:p
     
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    I have been attacked by a large dog. If the dog lunges at you, Go for the throat. Not only does grabbing it, stop it from biting, but it also scares the dog because it can't breath. I learned that from a very wise old dog trainer when I was just a kid.

    I never carry any weapons(except when i camp), although I do support your right to do so responsibly.
     
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    When I was carrying my dog, the golden retriever (yeah one of those), got my dog's tail by the long hairs, and I reared up my elbow into its windpipe when it got in the right position.

    It was a pretty swift hit, though probably not hard enough to collapse his windpipe, but that's when he let go. He was wheezing after that for a few minutes but I had no idea that's what one should do. If anything I got a lucky elbow in there.

    On another note I found out from my vet, is that many dogs don't do well with collars around the neck and they see collapsed windpipes all the time from collars. Sometimes dog gets so excited pulling it strangles itself. They have strong necks but can be very vulnerable at windpipe. It was then I got a harness but around then people started getting them everywhere for dogs.

    http://www.peta.org/living/companion-animals/dangerous-dog-collars/
     
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    It really is the most effective way to get rid of a dog, beyond shooting it, which I do not agree with btw. If you crush the wind pipe, the dog could die. But if it is a large dog, you would have to squeeze pretty damn hard.

    Feel your own throat. You don't need too much pressure to feel uncomfortable.
     
  18. 63dot thread starter macrumors 603

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    That's a very effective tactic for sure. Other than that if I had a kielbasa I would do a Howard Stern on them. I do always wait for the time for Howard to mention that on America's Got Talent but somehow he has been able to refrain.
     
  19. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    If I am not mistaken, Halt dog repellent was invented specifically for that purpose. I have no idea if it actually works.
     
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    My in laws have a little shih tzu, it marks their back porch, I tried the ammonia trick to make him not want to get near the area (doused the wood with straight ammonia, plus cotton balls soaked in it underneath the stairs). He didn't even bat an eye.

    That makes me think ammonia in a squirt bottle may not be reliable enough.
     
  21. juanm macrumors 65816

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    It's a dog, not a person, so unless it's quite far and steady (in which case it's not a threat), from the front it's a small-ish and very fast-moving target. Good luck shooting it, you'll get one or maybe two shots and then, he'll have his teeth around your hand/throat/testicles.
    A spray is much safer, in that it's forgiving about poor aiming, and a long press in close quarters is a guarantee of a hit.
     
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    I had a rot that would run up to people, stop a few inches away, and drop a tennis ball at their feet. It was extremely funny.


    Is it really necessary to use firearms as the primary response?
     
  23. Southern Dad macrumors 65816

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    Mailmen who have to walk their routes, power line workers and such often carry sonic devices that will keep a dog at bay. However, that will not work for the OP because he also has a dog that would be aversely impacted by the high pitched frequency.

    If you spray the dog and it doesn't go down, what is your next idea? How many items do you plan to carry? Keep in mind, it would only take a dog about a quarter of a second to break your dog's neck.
     

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