Best System of Government?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Huntn, Feb 13, 2011.

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What Could Be The Best Form of Government?

  1. Democracy/Capitalism

    28 vote(s)
    45.2%
  2. Socialism

    11 vote(s)
    17.7%
  3. Communism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Dictatorship

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  5. Theocracy

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  6. Anarchy

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  7. Other

    11 vote(s)
    17.7%
  8. Undecided

    6 vote(s)
    9.7%
  1. Huntn, Feb 13, 2011
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    Huntn macrumors G5

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    #1
    What is the best system of government? What do you think?

    Most of my life I've chosen Democracy/Capitalism, because I've lead a pretty good life and I have benefited from Capitalism in the U.S. Maybe I was just born in the right place at the right time, to the right parents. I don't know. But I do know that Capitalism as most systems works and benefits people primarily based on ethics. Those in power have a huge influence on how beneficial the system is to the most or to the least people within the system and there is a balance to be maintained.

    From what I've seen, in this country (U.S.A.), there has been a long slow slide from a high point just after WWII to today. Our Middle Class reached it's zenith in the 1950-60s and has been slowly unraveling in the last 50 years. I'm sure Globalization has something to do with it just as I am sure that greed in Corporate/Wallstreet/Banking America is raging out of control.

    Should the system be free enough so that the smart individuals can not only be successful, but they can become fantastically wealthy, amassing great fortune at the expense of others? I've aksed on many occasions why should anyone need more than say $2 million a year to live on?

    Or should the system be modeled to plow excess wealth back into the system for the common good? Yes, I am speaking of some kind of socialism.

    The next question is, can a government be constructed that efficiently manage any system? The optimist in me says 'yes it can', but I realize that it is subject to failure. And I know many Libertarians who are convinced that government is doomed to failure and the only constraint should be 'free markets'.

    Bottom line, I'm starting to view a socialistic system with individual perks for good performance as the only way forward for an advanced society. The problem is I don't see how we would get from point A to point B. Option two is to remain mired in the 'everyone for themselves mode' which seems primitive to me. Thoughts?

    In the poll, picking a choice means you lean towards it, but you may not be convinced it's the best.

    List of Government Types- at wikipedia.

    EDIT: Anyone who picks Anarchy, be an adult and explain why! :p

    EDIT 2: If you say 'other' it would be nice if you explained in a post. :)
     
  2. Peterkro, Feb 13, 2011
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    Wow one hundred percent in favour of Anarchy,well so far anyway. Incidently anarchy strictly speaking is not a form of government.:)

    (organisation yes,government no)

    Since you asked nicely here is a quote from Stuart Christie which lays out some basic concepts :

    "Anarchism is a movement for human freedom. It is concrete, democratic and egalitarian . . . Anarchism began -- and remains -- a direct challenge by the underprivileged to their oppression and exploitation. It opposes both the insidious growth of state power and the pernicious ethos of possessive individualism, which, together or separately, ultimately serve only the interests of the few at the expense of the rest.
    "Anarchism is both a theory and practice of life. Philosophically, it aims for the maximum accord between the individual, society and nature. Practically, it aims for us to organise and live our lives in such a way as to make politicians, governments, states and their officials superfluous. In an anarchist society, mutually respectful sovereign individuals would be organised in non-coercive relationships within naturally defined communities in which the means of production and distribution are held in common.
    "Anarchists are not dreamers obsessed with abstract principles and theoretical constructs . . . Anarchists are well aware that a perfect society cannot be won tomorrow. Indeed, the struggle lasts forever! However, it is the vision that provides the spur to struggle against things as they are, and for things that might be . . .
    "Ultimately, only struggle determines outcome, and progress towards a more meaningful community must begin with the will to resist every form of injustice. In general terms, this means challenging all exploitation and defying the legitimacy of all coercive authority. If anarchists have one article of unshakeable faith, it is that, once the habit of deferring to politicians or ideologues is lost, and that of resistance to domination and exploitation acquired, then ordinary people have a capacity to organise every aspect of their lives in their own interests, anywhere and at any time, both freely and fairly.
    "Anarchists do not stand aside from popular struggle, nor do they attempt to dominate it. They seek to contribute practically whatever they can, and also to assist within it the highest possible levels of both individual self-development and of group solidarity. It is possible to recognise anarchist ideas concerning voluntary relationships, egalitarian participation in decision-making processes, mutual aid and a related critique of all forms of domination in philosophical, social and revolutionary movements in all times and places."
    [My Granny made me an Anarchist, pp. 162-3]

    In a nutshell,no hierarchal relationships,everything else is for people to choose.

    ( by the way as I get older[and I am :eek: ] I find people use the word adult to mean emotionally stunted and intellectually dead and childlike makes more and more sense to me )
     
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  4. Huntn, Feb 13, 2011
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    My understanding is that Capitalism is not a form of government but it is an economic system frequently grouped with Democracy. There is a 'Corporatism' choice in Wiki's list of government types. If you disagree with this combo, please mark 'other' and explain your pref.

    Thanks for explaining! Anarchy is listed in Wikipedia's list of government types, not that that authenticates it in any way. I'm sorry I just can't see anarchy working. There is just too much anarchy. :p
     
  5. guzhogi macrumors 68030

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    I don't know what kind of government that I'd like most. I'd like one where people have the freedom to do what they want & need, trying to better themselves & society. I say society because I don't want people to negatively impact other people/the world as we may need to depend on them later.

    I also feel in the often heard phrase "TEAM: Together Everyone Achieves More". I'd like a system where people can work together for a common goal, be able to give informed input, and receive what they need from it.

    I want a system where people can get what they need to get on their feet, but also need to take the responsibility to work for it. I don't want slackers, but I want people to have the opportunity to realize their full potential. Yet on the same token, I don't want people to be unnecessarily burdened by less fortunate people. If they want to help, fine, but don't absolutely need to.

    I realize no system of government is perfect. Just saying what I'd like.
     
  6. Peterkro, Feb 13, 2011
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    It's frequently associated with a lot of authoritarian systems,U.S. style,totalitarian,European style and quite importantly fascism.

    After all the authoritarian bollocks forced on people from infancy I can see why lots of people hold that view.Look at the events in Egypt recently,now I don't claim it to be a anarchist uprising (although I'm absolutely sure some anarchists were involved) but the people organised themselves,faced down (at great cost) one of the largest security/intelligence organisations in the world,defended themselves from state paid thugs both at demonstrations and in their neighbourhoods,resisted any attempts by the media and others to choose leaders,established a broad network of resistance including setting up a independent union organisation in days,reached out and got huge international support (in spite of nearly all the governments around the world standing four square behind Mubarak until they realised he was a hopeless case).Now this anarchy does not make but you'd be hard pressed to find an anarchist who didn't support them 100%.

    In Tahrir Sq they were sorting rubbish into organic and non-organic for their own trucks to collect,now that the numbers have dwindled(possibly only for the time being)they have cleaned the Sq. Incidently someone somewhere asked about toilet facilities,they were using the subway under the Sq and flats and shops inhabited by sympathisers around the periphery.

    (note the situation in Egypt is very fluid and could go virtually anyway,but I'm certain the people having tasted freedom are not going to let themselves be enslaved as they have been for many years)
     
  7. Huntn thread starter macrumors G5

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    You just proved the necessity of the 'other' choice. The forum allows 10 choices. I admit I chose democracy/capitalism because of the U.S. :)
     
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    “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.” - Winston Churchill
     
  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Could you be more specific?

    What aspect of the U.S. do you find so appealing?
     
  10. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    Churchill of course being a prick of the highest order.
     
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    Good point. I voted for "Other" because I'm for Democracy\Capitalism :)
     
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    I voted other, since I don't like democracy and capitalism put together. Democracy is the best system out there, but you need to have some more socialist programs as a safety net, pure capitalism doesn't work.
     
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    Are you serious? ... support anti-Americanism much?
     
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    :confused:
     
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    "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" — Samuel Johnson
     
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    !.2 million members of the Interior ministries various forces,in case you didn't notice aside from those holed up in the ministry building (and that was touch and go for a 24 hour period) they disappeared.
     
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    I'm anti-exceptionalism.

    I actually think countries have to prove their value instead of just assuming that it is so.
     
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    If you prove your value then there's a chance you might actually be exceptional too.
     
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    Ah but you've missed the point. It isn't something that is supposed to work. It isn't an ultimate goal, to reach anarchy. It is more or less a thought process. Living your day to day life as independently as possible and doing your best to not be swayed by popular media or perceived authority.

    If you've read the comic book V For Vendetta the character V is supposed to represent the idea of anarchy. This is why he ends up not being a tangible person. Towards the end he says something along the lines of "You can't kill an idea." Its beautiful.

    If you've only seen the movie don't bother trying to figure it out, they took every mention of radical politics out of the movie.
     
  21. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    I would vote in the poll, but the poll doesn't really represent very many "systems of government." A system of government is how the state is organized and the processes it uses to create law, to limit (or not) its own activities, and how it views its own legitimacy.

    Monarchy, federal republic, oligarchy, direct democracy, etc are examples of governmental systems. They can come in many different flavors as well (eg you can have a theocratic monarchy or a theocratic republic, or even both at the same time).

    I think what you're getting at is economic systems. In that case, I can't think of a nation on earth today that isn't at the very least socialist. A purely capitalistic economic system would have absolutely no government intervention in the market (it would only enforce property rights to guarantee the existence of the market). Any society that has any kind of regulation, social safety net, public schools, centralized health and human safety oversight, etc would be socialist. The only difference between almost all nations on earth today is the degree of government intervention. Most of the great achievements of the 20th Century in securing better health, safety, and personal income came about because of government projects like mass vaccination, public water projects, public schools, and regulatory oversight.
     
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    I think they have elections. :rolleyes:
     
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    A Representative Republic with a relatively weak centralized government that aims first and foremost to protect the liberties of it's citizenry... especially from itself. Such a government would feature a strong constitution limiting the natural tendencies of government growth, the upmost considerations made for personal liberty, private property, and justice.

    This government would strive to leave wealth creators with the vast majority of the wealth they create, with minimal taxation and minimal market manipulation. It would stay out of the way of the free market resulting in better jobs, better pay, better products, better services for all of society. This government would take a non-interventionist view of foreign policy... we'd trade with other nations, talk with other nations, but avoid entangling alliances wherever possible. "Defense" would be exactly that.
     
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    In order to get to what I'd like, I think we need to first deal with all the debt problems that Reagan, Bush, Bush Jr. and all the fiscal conservatives put us in, and consider that higher taxes may be necessary to do that. It's time to acknowledge that we screwed up and we need to actually pay the price if we want to pass on a viable country to our children and grandchildren.

    While I'm all for small government, I believe some regulation and some government action is necessary where business fails or is incapable. I believe in reasonable government, as opposed to unreasonably large or unreasonably small.

    On a side note, I think this country might do well to look at how China has fostered and protected its capitalist businesses, and invested in the future (alternate energy and infrastructure, along with many other things).
     

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