Biden leads Democrats as minorities favor most electable candidate vs Trump

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  1. benshive macrumors regular

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...st-electable-candidate-vs-trump-idUSKCN1UW0Z9

    I definitely don't understand this. After watching both debates that Biden was in he seems like the last candidate that'd be able to go up against Trump's barrage of insults on the debate stage.
     
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    Yeah, I don't really get it either. It's circular. Biden is the most electable...because he's the most electable.
     
  3. benshive thread starter macrumors regular

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    Maybe some people see him as electable simply because he was Vice President. I had a strong feeling his numbers were going to plummet after his terrible performance in the first debate but it looks like I was definitely wrong.
     
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    I thought so too; it's a bit disappointing that it didn't turn out that way. I know everyone said Jeb Bush was the "inevitable candidate" and they were wrong about that, but at this point it looks good for Biden.
     
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    Perhaps people don't care about debating skills and are looking more at the "statesman" side of it.
     
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    Or the not totally crazy side of it.

    Biden's electability will also be affected by how far left he is drug during the primaries. I'm not sure he can stay on his island with everyone else running hard left.
     
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    Biden is in the lead because he's a normal candidate not proposing what the vast middle considers nutty.

    I do get it and it's obvious to me.

    It isn't all about your debating skills. Your positions matter too.
     
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    Biden is the most electable and most experienced politician who can be elected. That includes dumb dumb trump.
     
  9. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    I agree.

    IF, and it's IF, he can stay in his lane and not get sucked into racing left with the rest of the clown car.

    But he has to know the Progressives are going to gang up against him because 1) he is the front runner and 2) he doesn't support all that they do.

    But he may have hurt himself a bit today when he advocated taking away some guns. I know it is a popular sentiment these past few days, but that won't fly in some of the flyover states he will need to win.
     
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    I was unaware stopping endless wars was nutty to the vast middle.

    Anyhow, if the DNC continues to hoist another neoliberal to the top Trump contender enjoy the loss. Maybe start blaming China interference now so you can get ahead on losing 2024 as well.
     
  11. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    It's not that and you know it.

    It is Open Borders, free college/forgiving college loans, UHC (UHC is popular until people hear how you pay for it), free healthcare for illegals, and the list goes on.

    Feel free to stop all the wars you want, I won't argue one bit.
     
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    Like others have said, nobody really cares about the debates, particularly this far out from the election.

    And mainstream Dems don’t want someone as far left as Sanders or even Warren or Harris.

    As long as Biden doesn’t step on any land mines and holds the course, I’m not seeing how he could lose the nomination.

    Now...can he beat Trump? I honestly have no idea. He doesn’t come with the hint of sketch that Hillary came with, but I still think it’ll be tough unless he can get people out to the polls like Obama did...or unless Trump drives us into a recession with his trade war.
     
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    Honest question, is every single candidate promising all those things other than Biden, or is everybody putting an AOC bumpersticker on the forehead of any candidate who isn't establishment neocons?
     
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    The New York Times reached out to 22 Democratic presidential candidates to ask them the same set of questions on video. Twenty-one accepted the invitation.


    Most of the candidates visited the studio in our New York City office; for a few who could not, we traveled to Iowa, Texas and Washington, D.C. The sessions took place between the beginning of March and early June. During the interviews, we asked candidates to answer each question briefly — with a simple yes or no, or another terse, direct reply — before explaining their views at greater length.


    One candidate, Elizabeth Warren, who was the first to be interviewed, returned for a second session after we added a number of questions to our initial list. We did not ask John Hickenlooper when his family first arrived in the United States because we added that question after his interview.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/2020-candidate-interviews.html
     
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    With nearly a year before the Dem convention, it's too early to make any predictions. Look at HC in 2007 when she was running against some unknown Black guy with a funny sounding name. She was killing him among Black voters (Black women were overwhelmingly for HC and they're the most loyal Dem voting bloc), many of them said he had no chance in hell.
     
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    I will make a valid argument against what you just said! None of that is free!



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    I would say it is a blend. I do know all the candidates on the second night of the first debate raised their hands to provide free healthcare to illegals. I know some, but not all have advocated getting completely rid of private insurance.

    I think it will ebb and flow depending on how much traction/pushback each candidate gets on each issue, but they are all much farther left than Biden and the Dem base as a whole.
     
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    It's pretty simply, the majority of democrats don't want socialism and they understand they'll look like bigger idiots than Trump when they try to explain how the hell to pay for $32 trillion in new spending over the next 10yrs. Then they have to defend striping half the country of their private insurance. Sanders is the only one who's pretty much conceeded that everyone's taxes are gonna skyrocket. Every other candidate it's smoke and mirrors. They still don't have a immigration plan that doesn't sound like open boarders and free **** for anyone who can cross the Rio Grande. You want to beat Trump, don't sound like a you just got her from Venezuela or Cuba with a great new plan for the country and then ask everyone to trust you.
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    Well pretty much every candidate who's polling in double digits is, minus Biden.
     
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    I tend to think if Biden selects Tulsi Garrard for his running mate and I might vote for him!
     
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    The explanation is Modern Monetary Theory and there is significant support for it, mainly from younger folks. The idea of free money is attractive to those without it. For those working and earning, it's repulsive because they have worked so hard and for so long for what they have - that just giving it away is a repudiation of their work and education.

    But we might get it anyways. I wouldn't be surprised to see President Trump with some move to MMT. He is a big spender after all. There is discussion of MMT-type things going on around the world too.

    Last night was epic in terms of currency war stuff. India, New Zealand and Thailand announced larger than expected rate cuts. Australia is likely to follow suit as is the Phillipines. China devalued the night before. Econ numbers from around the world were pretty miserable topped off by German Industrial Production down 5%. This is a big problem for a top-tier exporting country.

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    President Trump wants a weaker US dollar. It's likely that any Democrat President would want the same thing. The problem is that countries around the world are willing to weaken their currencies beyond ours to maintain exports. The bigger problem is that a lot of emerging markets hold a lot of debt denominated in US dollars. So, when the US dollar gets stronger, their debt burden grows. At some point, they may default and that's when you get a financial crisis. MMT could be used to weaken the dollar.
     
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    Every previous generation is perfectly fine with screwing the next generation because they believe they worked harder than everybody else and did things the right way and refuse to believe times have changed at all from when they were in their 20’s.
     
  22. pshufd macrumors 65816

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    A ridiculous assertion.

    I see how hard my son worked in getting his degrees and how hard he works today. He does work that he loves, and it pays well, though he could be making a lot more. But he likes the idea of helping people and doing something beneficial to society.

    We parents have kids and want them to succeed as well. You're saying that we don't?
     
  23. BoxerGT2.5, Aug 7, 2019
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    Honest to god I never even thought about the previous generation to mine, I just put my head down and did what I had to do to achieve what I wanted to achieve. The thought never crossed my mind how well, good, or bad the previous generation had it.
     
  24. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    I’ve seen a lot of complaining about the baby boomer’s legacy from all sides of the political spectrum.

    The usual conservative middle class and above belief is just worry about yourself and your family and not everybody in the country. Follow one of the finite paths to financial freedom/success and that’s the most you can hope for. Happiness may or may not be part of that equation but at least you won’t be broke or living off the government.

    The usual liberal belief is try to find something that makes you happy that hopefully you can also live off of while also worrying about everybody else in the country (world). Of course there are liberals who also believe in picking one of the finite paths but don’t believe those paths work out for everybody and its not every individual’s 100% fault.

    The reason I specifically said middle class and above for conservatives only is because I believe the poor on both the left and right are closer than they aren’t, only their reasons/excuses are different. A liberal minority might blame generations of racism and segregation. A conservative in a dead industry town might blame industry leaving. Either way, both are closer to the liberal belief that it’s not 100% their fault.

    I don't know what the middle class and above conservative thinks of blaming illegal immigrants because that is also avoiding personal responsibility. Should those that feel they are an economic victim of that change course or live off the system in the hopes the illegals get flushed out?
     
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    I don't believe that illegal immigrants are as much of an issue today because a lot of businesses have simply moved production and research and development offshore. There are just a lot of business and compliance benefits to doing so and you don't run afoul of immigration enforcement.
     

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