Biden Lied 14 Times

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  1. Aranince macrumors 65816

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    http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=343ba934-6417-4b65-ac9e-92348acb5e97

    And here:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/03/biden_tells_14_lies_during_vp_debate
     
  2. dual64bit macrumors 6502

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    Kind of looks like smoke and mirrors, at least Biden didn't look like a fish out of water like.. geesh, whatever her name is, I can't seem to remember now....
     
  3. balamw Moderator

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    Don't get your fact checks from the candidates. They were both misleading on a large number of issues from a non-partisan point of view.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

    EDIT: Another view from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7649833.stm

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  4. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    The least the McCain campaign could have done was to provide a link or 2. :rolleyes:
     
  5. Aranince thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Yea...I said the same.
     
  6. RacerX macrumors 65832

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    Of course the point of this topic was to push the thread title rather than to have an honest discussion about the debates. I mean I could start a thread titled "McCain loses temper and strikes a voter", and no matter what comes of the thread itself, the title would have the same desired response that this one does... That some people will not double check the facts and believe the title.

    Aranince has no understanding of anything outside of the right wing talking points he has been fed. Which is fine (for him), everyone has the right to choose how informed (or ill informed) they are. But until he is capable of independent thought, maybe his ability to create threads should be limited (or moderated).

    If the McCain campaign wishes to post their stuff here, great... because at least then we could make them stand behind what they are saying. But this mindless parroting is getting old.
     
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    If it was not substantiated, why post it? :confused:
     
  8. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    I can't believe McCain actually HIT a voter. What an ass!




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    "Citing" the candidate's website is about as valid as "citing" yourself. :rolleyes:
     
  11. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    ass as in democrat? baadaabing lol

    haha jk
     
  12. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Should we count how many times Palin lied or simply dodged the question?
     
  13. gotzero macrumors 68040

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    At least Biden competently answered the questions. I was so disappointed that he did not take any of the 100+ opportunities to intellectually destroy that debutante.

    It is simply embarrassing that a candidate can announce that they will not answer challenges and questions in a debate. Biden had obviously been coached not to tear her apart, and it was really too bad.

    Every candidate lies/messes up nuances each time they speak, but there is a huge difference between that expected behavior, and the continuation of the Cheney doctrine of simply not talking to the public they "serve". I am disgusted.

    I was not a fan of Biden before, but I am now turning into a donor.
     
  14. freeny macrumors 68020

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    yes
     
  15. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    Okay, I'm gonna call you out on 10, 11 and 14.

    10 - One of the centerpieces of McCain's (and the Republicans in general) campaign is "getting government out of the way". He didn't just start this slogan, it's been around forever. Not to mention that Palin used it almost seconds after saying Wall Street needed more regulation

    11 - The surge has not worked. It has reduced violence but it has not brought the Iraqi government closer to reconciliation nor has it gotten us any closer to leaving. We're now spending even more money and we're still no closer to whatever amorphous definition of victory is in vogue this week.

    14 - BS. Marginal tax rates will be lower under Obama than Regan. Get over it.
     
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    Sassy B*tch :mad:
     
  18. Aranince thread starter macrumors 65816

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    How are you suppose to know what a candidate stand for then?
     
  19. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    A candidate can publish all the promises they want.

    When they claim an opponent lied, they should cite evidence otherwise it's campaign BS. Sorry, but it smells of the desperation of his campaign which all started with his faux campaign suspension. Voters saw right through it and the resulting meltdown.

    Even Sarah holding her own couldn't save him. Looking very ominous for them.


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  20. TheAnswer macrumors 68030

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    There are tons of fact check sites or new orgs doing fact checks in this instance.

    I think it's perfectly acceptable to base your personal opinion of a candidate on a combination of their agenda as put forward on their site, your assessment of their character and an analysis of their record, etc.

    However, going to an opponent's site to check the accuracy of a candidate isn't the best opinion (to put it lightly).
     
  21. freeny macrumors 68020

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    how current are those numbers?
     
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  23. Aranince thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Ok, did some research. Not all were lies.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

    "Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level."

    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/...osition-of-meeting-unconditionally-with-iran/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/22/AR2008052203016.html

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/03/biden-changes-tune-opposes-offshore-drilling/

    "Barack Obama didn’t take running mate Joe Biden to the woodshed for his remarks Monday on offshore drilling, which broke from Obama’s strong reservations to it. But Biden on Wednesday nonetheless offered a different opinion: “I’m against it.”"

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200810030010?f=h_latest

    "Summary: In reports on the vice presidential debate, CBSNews.com, MSNBC.com, and FactCheck.org all falsely claimed that Sen. Joe Biden's statement that Sen. John McCain "voted against funding the troops" in a 2007 appropriations bill was wrong. In fact, while McCain did not vote on a later version of the appropriations bill, he voted against the measure on March 29, 2007, and said at the time that he was opposing it, in part, because it "would establish a timeline" for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq."

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/fact-check-do-obama-and-biden-oppose-clean-coal/

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_No_coal_plants_here_in_America.html

    http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm

    http://www.alternativeenergy.com/group/politics/forum/topic/show?id=1066929:Topic:36973

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/us/politics/01mccain.html

    "To do so he is proposing a major tax change that he hopes will make the insurance marketplace more competitive and less expensive in part by encouraging more people to buy health insurance on their own instead of receiving it from their employers."

    She did support windfall profits tax: http://www.mccainfactcheck.com/facts/11/palin_windfall_profits_tax_344511.shtml

    Biden was right: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081002/news_1n2afghan.html

    For it after he was against it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091603732.html?hpid=topnews

    http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5492

    "Most significantly, however, Biden, who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the lead-up to the Iraq War during the latter half of 2002, was perhaps the single most important congressional backer of the Bush administration’s decision to invade that oil-rich country."

    http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/

    "Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit."


    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/2/12/is-obama-really-the-liberal-reagan.html
     
  24. RacerX macrumors 65832

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    Well, you went to the McCain site to find out about Biden... did you also go to the Obama site to find out about Palin?

    I've never been to Obama's site or McCain's site (and haven't been to Biden's site since December of last year). And I surely wouldn't get my information about who they are running against from those sites.

    The scary thing is that you were unable to realize this on your own.

    ... And even though you did some research, it hasn't changed the title of this thread, has it? :eek: You've got a long way to go in my book before you pull yourself out of the mindless sheep category thanks to this thread's title.
     
  25. Aranince thread starter macrumors 65816

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    You want me to change it to say he lied 11 times instead? That makes a huge difference. Even I posted links to about the lies, I'm still a mindless sheep? Wow.

    Just like republicans blindly follow their republican candidates, democrats blindly follow their candidates.
     

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