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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jkcerda, May 19, 2017.
got to love crazy Joe.
Haven't read the linked article yet, but how can he be the "correct candidate" when he didn't run? I generally like Biden, but he does run his mouth off!
Had he thrown his hat into ring as late as he would have he would have been ridiculed for taking away Hillary's chance at being president.
I think the only reason he didn't run was his son's death. And I think he is right, he would have been a better candidate than Clinton.
How many people without a lifetime of political experience said the same thing?
Yes, his son's death was doubly tragic. He appears to have been a fine man in his own right, and it derailed Biden's run for president. I think whether or not he won the nomination, Biden would have forced Hillary to become a better candidate. I imagine Biden saying to Hillary in a debate, "But why do you want to be President? Come on, the American people deserve a good reason why they should vote for you!"
Wow, The Huffington Post is literally changing quotes in order to keep Clinton standing. Uncle Joe did not say she was not the 'correct' candidate. He said she was not a 'great' candidate.
There's a big difference between simply not being the 'correct' candidate and being a **** candidate.
Dude, you read more about Clinton than anyone I know. Just curious, when you fap, do you look for Clinton pr0n? Short-haired, flat-chested, blonde gilfs in pant-suits?
There went any desire to eat today.
The fact that you call Hillary a gilf is disturbing.
I remember reading how porn hub found that IPs from predominantly white counties had higher rates of looking at asian or black-guy on white-girl porn. Maybe some people just like to hate-fap?
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I would, and I'd put it on my resume.
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Well Biden is gaffe-prone but he's also very affable and at ease on the trail, which usually lets him shrug and roll his eyes over his own faux pas whatever it was. Clinton has always been much more guarded and sort of signals anxiety about "making a mistake" in responding to something spontaneously -- which in the context of all her baggage has been the least of her problems. I wouldn't have minded seeing Biden and Kaine on the trail for November, although I don't know whom Biden would have tapped for his VP (and that matters to me).
I don't know that it's very productive for Biden to come out with his remarks along these lines at this late date, but I have to say I completely agree with this little bit from the link in the OP (the bold is mine):
And while he supported Clinton throughout the campaign, he has since been critical of her run, saying in December that she never knew why she was running.
Early in 2015 I was almost certain that Clinton would not run. I'm sure I must have posted such sentiments. I truly believe that she had to be talked into it, not that she didn't want the job, not that she wasn't qualified, just that she knew it was going to be a horrendous experience trying to get there in this poisonous political climate. I think her gut instinct was not to go there. I was disappointed. I was not looking forward to eight years of Benghazi chants from the peanut gallery, never mind I didn't yet know it would have been email email instead, or both.
It's not that I loathe Clinton, because I do not. I just felt the far right was going to hammer her mercilessly during the campaign and for eight years thereafter, or as long as it took for her to drop dead or get impeached and be removed. Sometimes you have to look at the landscape and figure the climb is too tough. There are other landscapes. I wish she'd find one now that doesn't intersect so directly with Democratic Party politics.
As for Biden, he needs to be careful. People cut him slack over his son's death but if he keeps talking about how he'd have been the better candidate, it's going to start sounding like sour grapes and that he was deliberately suppressed, or worse, entitled to run because he was the sitting VP. One cannot subtract the effect on him of his son's death at the time. It was what it was and he could not make that run. It's also true the entire rest of the Dem field was suppressed, so it's a bit late even to hint at whining about it now. If he wants to run in 2020, let him leave the past behind and start collecting Trump gaffes for his campaign ads.
She knew exactly why she was running.
But it was her turn, damnit!!
She's a perfect example of what the Democratic party has become and what they expect of everybody. Just soullessly check off a bunch of accomplishment boxes and the world owes you respect and cash prizes.
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It was probably inevitable since she had field operations out there still working since 2008. There's that moment when you have to ask yourself if it's the right thing to do. Everyone else has the party hats on ready to release the balloons and confetti. There's a difference though in feeling pride that your supporters are still so eager for you to run, and knowing that your party is going to take a serious beating from the opposition if you do run, not because of your policy but explicitly just because it's you. That's a tough decision to make no matter how she sliced and diced it. But, I feel she made the wrong move. She could have thrown all that machine behind another candidate as the primary season went on. Sanders might not even have gone for it. We could be looking at President Webb or O'Malley at this point, who knows. Anyway it's water under the bridge now. Nearly drowned us, too.
Yep, I'll agree that once she threw her hat in the ring, she was all in and her machine was in high gear -- and that what you said is exactly what it looked and felt like. If Bernie hadn't popped into the picture, I would have sat out the season. All I could think of was how extravagantly unpleasant the campaign was going to be from the right.
As usual, deflecting...
deflections are not valid unless you note them......................
He would have beat Trump.
Yep I think you got that right. He loves retail politics and his baggage cart not as heavy as either Trump or Clinton. He's not without baggage... so it's hard to say where Mercer crowd would have gone with it.
I do wonder what position the DNC would have taken had Biden run. Sitting VP who would have easily won against anyone the GOP nominated vs Hillary who would have been the first female President. Would DWS still have put her finger on the scale for Clinton? How would the Super Delegates have voted?
Granted we will never know, but I do know Biden would have thrown a huge Bernie sized wrench into the race.
A lot of dirty pool with the old biddies running the DNC would have to have been overcome. I think Biden would have easily beaten Trump had he been the nominee.
I don't know how that would have shaken out if Biden had stepped up before Clinton announced and had simply said "Actually, it's my turn." Which by tradition it was.
However, the DNC was pretty well laddered up with Clintonians in 2008 and stayed that way. I suspect Clinton might not have thrown in had Biden felt able to run and been adamant, but to me that DNC had almost seemed to treat Barack Obama as "just-visiting" royalty for eight years... and their queen never really vacated the throne room. Also, remember that Biden had run in 2008 and not polled very well at all in the primaries. So there were some potentially big hurdles for him at the DNC, for 2016, even as a sitting VP.
Anyway Biden sure God would have enlivened that primary season. It is so weird to glance back now at the contrast of the Republicans' gigantic field spread out there all spring into summer of 2016, versus our vague memory of a few guys fading away into the shadows when Hillary began her campaign in earnest. Without Bernie popping in there the thing would have seemed like a really long vamp to a coronation instead of a horse race.
Woulda been an interesting choice, but vulnerable to attack over Hunter Biden's position with Burisma.