Bill Browder's Senate Testimony

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  1. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Who cares, right?

    Bill Browder is a US-born financier who invested in numerous Russian companies, dating back to the late 1990s. Browder testified yesterday before the US Senate Judiciary Committee in a hearing about Foreign Agents Registration Act enforcement.

    Browder gives you a little insight into Vladimir Putin, a man Donald Trump seems to have a strange affinity with:

    Read the rest of Mr Browder's testimony. And you'll understand a little more about why Vladimir Putin sent people to go and talk to Donald Trump Jr. about adoptions.

    If the name Natalia Veselnitskaya sounds familiar, it's because she was the woman that Donald Trump's son; son-in-law; and campaign chairman went to see back in June of 2016.
     
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    I think many people on the left here in the US imagine there was some meeting between Donald Trump and a Russian intelligence officer or government official, at which Trump promised to relax sanctions on Russia, in exchange for Russia's help in the 2016 election.

    That almost certainly did not happen. And Trump (and Kushner, etc.) are correct when they claim there was no "collusion" with Russia. At least to the extent that there was an explicit understanding between Trump and Putin's government.

    What is almost certainly true, however, is that Donald Trump personally made hundreds of millions of dollars enabling Russian criminals to launder stolen money. And that the man at the center of the vast network of people taking stolen money out of Russia is Vladimir Putin himself.

    The amount of money taken out of Russia over the past ten years or so is staggering: Estimates range between one and three trillion dollars. An almost unimaginable sum, given the relatively small size of Russia's overall economy. This is money that, in a normal economy, would be invested in factories and infrastructure, improving the lives (and productivity) of ordinary Russians. Instead, this money has been socked away in bank accounts, everywhere from Geneva and London, to New York and the Cayman Islands. The "Panama Papers" gave us just a hint at the size of the issue.

    The problem with bank accounts, however, is that under pressure from the United States Treasury and Justice Departments, financial institutions virtually worldwide have been forced to adopt "know your customer" policies. That if you show up in Luxembourg or London, and ask to open an account, with an initial deposit of ten or twenty million dollars, the bank is supposed to establish your bona fides. That you have a credible story of where this money came from. That it is not the proceeds of crime or fraud.

    So Russian criminals long ago turned a different vehicle for stashing their ill-gotten gains: Luxury real estate in cities like London, New York, and Miami.

    And probably no one sold more luxury real estate to Russian criminals that Donald Trump and his organization. Whats more, he didn't actually need to put up his own money to do it. Because half the time the Russian criminals would simply pay him a large fee for putting his name on the side of the building. And in those instances where he did actually hold an ownership stake - a bank controlled by the Russians would helpfully lend him the money.
     
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    I used to think that there was no possible way that collusion was true. Now I am not so sure we can rule out collusion, even if it was between minions of Trump and Putin. Collusion doesn't have to be a legal contract - a verbal quid pro quo amounts to the same thing. Also, it would not surprise me if Trump has skeletons in his closet related to his businesses that he is trying to protect. After all, he ran a casino business in New Jersey....
     
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    It's funny how people think the US is any different than Russia, our government is just as corrupt the media just doesn't report on it.
     
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    Well, I suppose in part this is because our government does appear to undertake targeted assassinations of its citizens (and indeed ex-citizens) who are dissidents.
     
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    By taking away their health insurance?
     
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    touché
     
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    Now that is rubbish.
     
  10. samcraig macrumors P6

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    I don't think that's necc the true. I think the issue is egocentric in that we don't want our country to be compromised. Also - one does not excuse the other.
     
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    Ryan Lizza at the New Yorker has a good precis on the meaning, and effects, of Trump Jr. and Kushner's meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower. Quoting fmr. CIA and NSA head Michael Hayden:

    Whether or not Kushner and Trump's actions rise to the level of crimes is not clear at this point. But at the very least, both of them were disingenuous to the point of dishonesty about what they knew, and when they knew it, about the extent of Russian meddling in our Elections.
     

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