Bill of the century (global warming/energy) passed in US House and it wasn't read

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  1. corinhorn macrumors 6502a

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    1,201 pages and it wasn't read by the people who passed it. how can they sleep at night?

    EDIT: Sorry I completely spaced it and forgot to include the news links to the bill I was referring to. And yes, it was the "global warming" bill that serves only lobby groups and politicians.

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  2. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    With commitments, the U.S. national debt is over eleven trillion dollars and climbing. We already know that the next half-dozen and more years will bring more large deficits.

    This nationalized health care program will of necessity cost tax dollars. At the very least there will be staffing and ancillary office costs of the regulatory agency. There will be other losses, from such as the shift in employment--with many losing jobs as insurance companies fail.

    Current federal income is already committed to existing budgets. Given our
    national indebtedness, the repayment carries forward over generations.

    Anybody who supports this sort of profligate spending is inherently saying, "But, what did an unborn generation ever do for me?"
     
  3. zap2 macrumors 604

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    Its common practice for threads in the PRSI forum to get a link, maybe to new sarticle or a summary of the bill, that way people have a quick thing to read up on, and respond.


    Just saying, you might see some more response that way
     
  4. rhsgolfer33 macrumors 6502a

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    It isn't really all that uncommon. A lot of the bills are supposedly read by representatives and clerks for the congressmen. I've had a few friends work in congressional offices doing basically that job. Someone in the office skims it, writes a few pages of summary, points out a few hot topics in it, and then the congressmen votes on it (or argues about it for hours). I still haven't figured out why congressmen are paid $174,000 a year.
     
  5. bobber205 macrumors 68020

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    This part can't come soon enough. Most health care companies are evil that treat people's lives as money to be made. You know alot of countries it's illegal to make a profit off healthcare? Some companies regularly drop people once they've paid their premiums and then actually need the service they paid for.

    A national healthcare system costs money, alot yes. But doesn't the way we're going now cost alot as well? Soon no one except the most rich among us will be able to afford a hospital stay w/o bankruptcy. Canada and Britain love their healthcare system. Some even call Britain's a "national treasure".
     
  6. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Actually the Americans spend almost twice as much as the average of the other rich countries. And no other country gets close to the Americans spend in either fixed dollars or percentage of GDP.

    I don't think we really love our healthcare system - but it isn't bad.
     
  7. Cromulent macrumors 603

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    Britain's nationalised health care system is much cheaper than the American system per head of population. If you needed to persuade someone that private healthcare was a bad idea all you need to do is point to the amount of money the American government throws at it and the citizens of America don't even get the right to use unless they pay for private insurance even though it is their tax dollars which are propping up the system.

    Nice work guys. But then socialism is evil right?
     
  8. Queso macrumors G4

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    I used to feel that way, but then they scraped me off the pavement to pin me back together and my father received a free pacemaker following a series of heart attacks. The NHS allows the patient to concentrate on the only thing that matters, recovering. I wouldn't swap that for the world.
     
  9. luminosity macrumors 65816

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    So, how about that little excursion in Iraq, among other things? The amount we put into Iraq could easily have paid for universal health care, and probably a lot else as well.

    But then, that doesn't count, does it?

    Also:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html?hpid=topnews

    That's what the pursuit of a bottom line made up only of profit gets people in the end.
     
  10. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    You don't even have to go that far. The amount you spend on healthcare should be enough to cover healthcare as well as better education, roads, trains etc. etc.
     
  11. northy124 macrumors 68020

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    And who exactly are you quoting? I do not believe for minute that someone would call it a national treasure:eek:

    Our healthcare is decent but slow and also has a hard time at managing finances.
     
  12. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    See Queso above.

    What do you mean?
     
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    He didn't say anything about it being a national treasure.

    See x86isslow above.
     
  15. Queso macrumors G4

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    Only because it isn't a turn of phrase I normally use :p
     
  16. SydneyDev macrumors 6502

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    I think it's a brilliant idea to socialize American medicine. As the main free market medical system left, it is the source of the majority of medical innovation. It is what makes the cheaper systems in other countries possible.

    The problem is (and it's a big problem) all these new medicines are making old people live longer which is making socialism impractical. It is very important for all good socialists that American innovation in this area ends.

    So please, donate all you can to the President's plan, because as we all know, and wholeheartedly agree, every aspect of a thing is better under government, and no part of it is ever worse. And remember friends, if anyone disagrees with you on the obviousness of this point, waste no time in calling them a fascist. We socialists like nothing better than calling people fascist.
     
  17. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Please let this happen. Universal health care is way overdue in this country. No one on the "free market" side has ever come up with a better solution. Quite simply because the free market and health care don't mix. Health care should never be a for-profit venture.

    Whatever. It works in the rest of the civilized world. Why not here? Are we too stupid to figure it out?
     
  18. SydneyDev macrumors 6502

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    It only works in the rest of the world *because* you guys don't do it there. We're all screwed if you try and socialize.

    It is the possibility of profit in the good old US of A that creates new medicines which other countries can then give away. If you take that away, and have government mandated (and presumably lower) prices in the USA, there will be nowhere a medical company can make a killing, and they'll take their capital elsewhere, and we'll still have people dying of cancer/aids etc 100 years from now.
     
  19. Queso macrumors G4

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    EU based drug companies develop more medicines every year than US based ones.
     
  20. Schtumple macrumors 601

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    You obviously haven't heard: UK Government are "evil"

    If this were the mid 20th century, we'd be the communists... :rolleyes:
     
  21. SydneyDev macrumors 6502

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    And where are most of their sales? Where is the incentive coming from.
     
  22. skunk macrumors G4

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    I don't suppose you have any evidence for this ridiculous assertion, do you?

    Since the USA is ranked 45th in the world in terms of life expectancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy) you are clearly talking absolute bollocks.

    You obviously have no idea of the meaning of either term.
     
  23. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    They don't have to. They don't care.

    Anyone claiming that Republicans were the only party that was F'd up needs to seriously reevaluate their stance. Pelosi and gang have shown a total disregard for process and fairness. They simply don't care. They are aristocrats and act the part.

    The reason they are moving monster bills with such speed is to prevent the public from gaining enough knowledge about what is being done and complaining about it.

    In other words, they are doing their best to ignore the public and so far are succeeding.

    and to think I thought the last four years were no fun... not only are we headed downhill fast we now have booster jets strapped on
     
  24. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Umm... and why should we pay for your medicine again?
     
  25. leekohler macrumors G5

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    The last four? Try the last eight. And you were strangely silent for all of them. Spare me your pathetic crocodile tears. The fact is, you didn't care when Bush did it.
     

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