Bill O'Reilly is Sick of the Hate


JesseJames

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Honestly, I don't know why people are so angry at Bill. Yeah he's a bit of blowhard but I think that's a bit of an asset in the business that he's in.
The liberal media is so hot to find a hint of hypocrisy in anyone proclaiming some morality. It's bizarre.
I believe everyone has a level of hypocrisy. Some more overtly arrogant than others.
 

solvs

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IJ Reilly said:
Because he's a compulsive liar?
Liberal. ;)

Yeah, you reap what you sow. Go read Media Matters or Crooks and Liars. You can call them what you want, but all they're doing is pointing out what these people say. As opposed to Bill, who pretends to be fair to both sides when he isn't, and as IJ put - he is a liar. Not just wrong, but an out-and-out, compulsive, lying, liar.

Plus he's a pervert. Falafel?
 

tristan

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O'Reilly is not a liar and can't be because his show is opinion and commentary. The only way that he could be lying is if his show wasn't really his opinion, which would be pretty silly. If you think his show or Lou Dobbs (Dobby) is news, you're getting upset for completely the wrong reasons. They are both opinion shows.

I like both shows, not because I always agree with either of them, but because sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, and listening to their justifications helps me decide where I stand on the issues. I also like the McLaughlin group, even though I don't agree with anybody on there, and read the Economist, which is maybe the only people I agree with more than 70% of the time (British pro-market centrists). if you just want news alone, with no opinion or analysis, you should stick to a couple good newspapers and throw away the opinion pages.
 

highres

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Poetic justice...I hope he chokes on all the vitriol, fear and hate he has spewed for years...Wake up tristan, he regularly quotes or portrays info as factual which has been proven to be blatantly untrue or misrepresented many times. His show is far from just personal opinion or commentary.

Start with these links as topics for research, if you think this webpage is too biased, then do some of your own research into the topics listed on the page and come to your own conclusions.

Bill O' Reilly consistantly twists, misrepresents and distorts the truth.
 

pseudobrit

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tristan said:
How can you lie in opinion? "I hate Bush". Oh, I'm lying, I really love him and want to be his next supreme court nominee.
O'Reilly lies, man. Watch his show once or twice. He backs up his opinions with facts he pulls out of his ass (aka lies).
 

mactastic

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tristan said:
How can you lie in opinion? "I hate Bush". Oh, I'm lying, I really love him and want to be his next supreme court nominee.
Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

Not enough? There's more.

Despite any belief to the contrary, it is possible to lie on an opinion show. When O'Reilly claims that 50% of Americans pay no federal tax, that is a lie. That isn't his opinion, it's a falsehood. When he claims that he retracts anything that isn't true, that is also a lie.

I'd guess there would be a lot of conservative who would take umbrage with me claiming that Michael Moore can't be lying because it's all his opinion. :p
 

tristan

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Well, I take it as opinion, and yes, I do take Michael Moore as opinion too. When BO calls half the guys on his show "nuts, loons, wackos, etc" I have to assume that that's opinion and the rest probably is too.

But I have better things to do then defend O'Reilly I guess, considering I don't agree with a lot of his opinions or watch him that much anymore. By the way, Steve Colbert (on the first Colbert report) did a great impression of O'Reilly on his show last night.
 

pseudobrit

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tristan said:
Well, I take it as opinion, and yes, I do take Michael Moore as opinion too. When BO calls half the guys on his show "nuts, loons, wackos, etc" I have to assume that that's opinion and the rest probably is too.
Bush is an *******. He tortures puppies for fun and eats babies for lunch.
 

tristan

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By the way, BO is not too far off in his statement that 50% of people don't pay federal income taxes.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/542.html

In 2004, there were 131m income tax returns filed, and 42.5m paid no taxes. Also, 15m people didn't have to file, because they were below the legal minimums. (42.5+15)/(131+15) = 39.3% of households that pay no federal taxes. Then you have to convert households to people, which gets you closer to 50% (because of kids etc). It's not exactly 50%, but it's still pretty high. They do pay social security taxes, of course.

Not saying this to defend BO (because he was wrong), but because most people don't know the numbers and it is pretty astonishing how many people don't pay federal taxes.
 

zimv20

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tristan said:
BO is not too far off in his statement that 50% of people don't pay federal income taxes.
i can do him one better. when i pay my taxes, it's really just my eyes, brain and hands doing the work. that's why less than 50% of my body weight.

;-)
 

IJ Reilly

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The notable thing about O'Reilly isn't just his habit of playing fast and loose with facts, which a lot of people do, but the way he denies having said things once he's caught committing a deceit, even when it's right there on tape for all to see and hear. As anyone who's met one knows, this is the classic behavior of a pathological liar. They are missing that part of their intellect which allow them to understand when they've been caught in a lie, so they lie again, and again. The man is clinical. No self-respecting network would allow him on the air. But then, I suppose that's why he's on FOX.
 

iSaint

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I try to ignore most newscasters, as it's true that much of their 'opinion' is skewed facts. However, there's something about O'Reilly's smarmy attitude that really rubs me the wrong way. If there's someone on the show who he doesn't agree with, he continually cuts them off. But, that's true for many hosts these days. Especially Nancy Grace, who I believe is a horrible show host, and is rude to her guests, too.
 

mactastic

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IJ Reilly said:
The notable thing about O'Reilly isn't just his habit of playing fast and loose with facts, which a lot of people do, but the way he denies having said things once he's caught committing a deceit, even when it's right there on tape for all to see and hear. As anyone who's met one knows, this is the classic behavior of a pathological liar. They are missing that part of their intellect which allow them to understand when they've been caught in a lie, so they lie again, and again. The man is clinical. No self-respecting network would allow him on the air. But then, I suppose that's why he's on FOX.
Exactly. Fudging the facts is one thing, but to outright deny that have erred is another, particularly when evidence to the contrary is presented.

Let's look at this BoR statement:
Now "The Factor" on TV and radio is the most successful broadcast concept in the past decade in this country. And guess how many articles "The New York Times" has done on us? Zero. Nada.
Ok, so he starts with something that is arguably his opinion, that "The Factor" is the most successful broadcast concept in the past decade in this country. Fine, that's his opinion. But how about the second part? Is it his opinion that the NYTimes has never done a story on him, or is that a verifiable fact?

Numero One

August 18, 2002, Sunday, Late Edition ? Final
SECTION: Section 3; Page 1; Column 2; Money and Business/Financial Desk

LENGTH: 2581 words

HEADLINE: TALKING MONEY WITH -- BILL O'REILLY;
For Once He Says, 'Don't Take My Advice'

BYLINE: By GERALDINE FABRIKANT

BODY:
BILL O'REILLY, the conservative, in-your-face host of "The O'Reilly Factor" on the Fox News Channel, usually has all the answers. That is, in fact, part of what draws viewers to his talk show, the one to beat on weeknights at 8 on cable.

So it is with investing, about which Mr. O'Reilly, 52, says he learned a big lesson from an unlikely source, the singer Billy Joel. "We were both raised in the same neighborhood, and we were rowdy guys," Mr. O'Reilly said recently, over coffee in a diner he frequents on Long Island ? Mr. O'Reilly has also written two best-selling books, "The O'Reilly Factor: The Good, the Bad and the Completely Ridiculous in American Life" and "The No-Spin Zone: Confrontations With the Powerful and Famous in America." Now he's capitalizing on his brand name with a new syndicated radio show, "The Radio Factor With Bill O'Reilly."

Granted, though the full article (actually, a 2581 word feature) talked extensively about O'Reilly, and his TV and radio empire, maybe he just missed that one. And maybe, perhaps, you could say that the article was focused more on O'Reilly than his TV / radio shows (though that would be a dumb argument).
Number 2

November 10, 2000, Friday, Late Edition - Final
NAME: BILL O'REILLY

SECTION: Section B; Page 2; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk

LENGTH: 871 words

HEADLINE: PUBLIC LIVES;
TV Host With a Sizable Confidence Factor

BYLINE: By JESSE McKINLEY

BODY:
BILL O'REILLY describes himself as a poor prognosticator, a pundit more likely to pick the correct spread in a Jets game than to guess who might win a presidential race. So why is he boasting that he flat-out called Tuesday's (and Wednesday's and yesterday's) vote?

"I said early on that Bush is going to win by eight electoral votes," a tired-eyed Mr. O'Reilly said on Wednesday, as the Florida recount began. "If he wins Oregon and Florida, as I think he will, he'll be right at 278. Eight votes."

The math may or may not work out that way, but Mr. O'Reilly's confidence is unlikely to be shaken by anything as fickle as the closest political race in modern American history. Mr. O'Reilly, 51, the tough-talking commentator whose bully pulpit is a nightly program on the Fox News Channel called "The O'Reilly Factor," comes across as so confident that some viewers find him unbearably arrogant. Despite that, or perhaps because of it, Mr. O'Reilly is presiding over one of the fastest growing cable news programs.

During October, "The Factor," as Mr. O'Reilly calls it, ran a strong second in total viewership, according to the Nielsen ratings service, to Larry King, who has long reigned over the nightly cable talk show circuit. (In fact, Mr. O'Reilly's program was seen by a larger average percentage of houses that receive both CNN and Fox News.) ....

OK, OK! The NY Times has written articles on O'Reilly and his TV / radio shows. Fair enough. But what about when the Fox News Network launched on October 7, 1996? Was there anything about the new network and O'Reilly?
October 10, 1996, Thursday, Late Edition - Final
SECTION: Section B; Page 3; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk

LENGTH: 773 words

HEADLINE: TELEVISION REVIEW;
Fox's 24-Hour News Is Oddly Familiar

BYLINE: By WALTER GOODMAN

BODY:
With no truce yet in the battle over whether New York City cable customers served or disserved by Time Warner will be permitted to receive the new Fox News channel, the least a reviewer can do is offer a glimpse of what many New Yorkers are missing.

The latest entry in the all-the-news-all-the-time trade offers 24 hours of reports, features, interviews, analysis, promos and commercials. If that sounds a lot like what the pioneering CNN and the imitative MSNBC offer, well, sure.

The Fox producers appear to be going for a youthful look, a brisk pace and a direct approach: young reporters, fast-moving pictures, colloquial comments. But since much of the daily material is unavoidably identical on all the all-news channels, the test will be the next big breaking, audience-attracting story, be it war or flood, when Fox's coverage can be compared with the competition. (Further watching is also needed to spot whether Rupert Murdoch, head fox at Fox, who has a reputation for turning his newspapers into vehicles for his political opinions, is skewing things.)

For now, what differences there are show up mainly in prime time. Fox's hourlong offerings begin at 5 P.M. with "The Cavuto Business Report," a smart and snappy rundown on what's up with companies, unions, markets and such. At 6 comes "The O'Reilly Report," chats on a few subjects that Bill O'Reilly, our host, finds worthy of attention. On opening night they included drugs and the Presidential debate. Heavy stuff, but the next night brought the actress Cheryl Ladd plugging a book. Mr. O'Reilly seemed just as interested in Ms. Ladd as in the election. It's that sort of show.

And did the NY Times write anything about the 'Radio Factor?' launch?
March 13, 2002, Wednesday, Late Edition ? Final
SECTION: Section B; Page 2; Column 3; Metropolitan Desk

LENGTH: 680 words

HEADLINE: BOLDFACE NAMES

BYLINE: By James Barron

BODY:

The Radio Factor

BILL O'REILLY, the tough-talking talk show host, is expanding the "no spin zone." An official at Fox News, which carries his program "The O'Reilly Factor," said Mr. O'Reilly had signed a radio deal with Westwood One, the syndication giant that offers local radio stations everyone from G. GORDON LIDDY to MARTHA STEWART.

In some cities -- though probably not New York, where he is expected to be heard on WOR-AM -- Mr. O'Reilly's new midday call-in show will go talking-head-to-talking-head against RUSH LIMBAUGH, the Fox official said. Mr. Limbaugh is a mainstay on WABC-AM.​

"Now "The Factor" on TV and radio is the most successful broadcast concept in the past decade in this country. And guess how many articles "The New York Times" has done on us? Zero. Nada."
I'd say it's pretty easily verifiable that the Times DID write about "The Factor" several times in fact. And this wasn't some off-the-cuff remark, this was a prepared memo. I don't know about you, but that smells like a lie to me.

I wonder if it was just Clinton's opinion that he never had sex with that woman...
 

IJ Reilly

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I also liked when he claimed to be an independent, even after his voter registration form was published, which clearly indicated his party choice as "Republican." I don't recall his precise prevarication, but it amounted to "I didn't know." Riiight.