Bill O'Reilly: Unbelievable.

Xtremehkr

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Bill O'Reilly's Videogate
Over the years, Fox's Bill O'Reilly has accumulated an impressive record of distortions, lies, and even falafel lust.. Now, it would seem, he's finally committed what should be a firing offense, even for Fox.

Less than a year after savaging Dan Rather over his use of dubious documents in the Bush National Guard case, The O'Reilly Factor massively - and without disclosure - doctored video to distort comments by Senator Joe Biden.

As reported on The Al Franken Show,, O'Reilly butchered tape of an appearance on June 5th by Biden on The Al Franken Show, ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolous. In that interview, Biden discussed legislation he had proposed to calling for an independent investigation of Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and the entire U.S. network of detention camps. Biden continued that while he personally believed the U.S. ultimately should close Gitmo, he felt that the President needed an independent investigation to drive a consensus conclusion.

The exchange is not what O'Reilly's viewers saw on June 7th in a segment called "The Truth About Guantanamo Bay." The Factor spliced Biden's comments, leaving out all mention of the legislation and his call for independent investigation. O'Reilly then not only savaged Biden for joining "the abuse chorus." He went on to claim as his own the very idea that "the Bush administration should set up an independent commission to investigate American detainee policy across the board."


Indefensible. Watching Fox News is like wanting to be lied to.
 

Dont Hurt Me

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You didnt mention Bill's Dirtysextalk with his producer that settled out of court? He is a liberal Republican diguised as Independent. I use to be a Liberal Republican but that party is running far far right so perhaps iam disguised as Bill. Everyone Spins on occasion even Bill. The Spin Stops Here! :D
 

MontyZ

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This kind of thing probably explains why FOX News viewership has been sharply dropping over the past 7 months when they lost over 40% of their viewers, and the decline continues at a rapid pace.
 

Ugg

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Yay, maybe Rupert will begin to realize that media which takes such an extremely polarized view of the world will eventually only appeal to a minority. Even those red staters at some point have to realize they're being lied to.
 

IJ Reilly

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MontyZ said:
This kind of thing probably explains why FOX News viewership has been sharply dropping over the past 7 months when they lost over 40% of their viewers, and the decline continues at a rapid pace.
True? Where'd you hear this?
 

Ugg

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IJ Reilly said:
True? Where'd you hear this?

Link

Since the election, viewership in the coveted 25-54 age bracket of Fox News has fallen from over 1,000,000 in October to under 450,000 in April, according to a CNN press release.

The FOX News Channel is a US cable and satellite news channel. It is owned by the Fox Entertainment Group, a subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. As of January 2005, it is available to 85 million subscribers in the U.S. and to further viewers internationally, broadcasting primarily out of its New York City studios.

According to the BBC, FOX News' profits doubled due to "patriotic coverage" of the Iraq conflict, with as much as 300% increase in viewership, with 3.3 million average daily viewers.

The 2004 election coverage by FOX News ranked higher than the next two cable news competitors combined. For President Bush's address, FOX News rated 7.3 million viewers. NBC, CBS, and ABC rated 5.9, 5.0, and 5.1, respectively.

Ratings for cable news stations have fallen since the election, but most have since stabilized, thus it is anomalous that Fox is continuing to drop. CNN's ratings, as an example, increased 27% in April.

The reason for Fox News' fall in viewership is not clear. Some speculate that the audience has turned to other news sources out of distrust or dislike of Fox News' reporting; others claim it to simply be a result in decreased interest in news in general; some suggest that other cable news channels have adopted Fox News' style and tenor.

Fox News Viewership:
Oct. 04: 1,074,000
Nov. 04: 891,000
Dec. 04: 568,000
Jan. 05: 564,000
Feb. 05: 520,000
March 05: 498,000
April 05: 445,000
It would be interesting to see why viewerhip has dropped so dramatically.
 

kuyu

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I can tell you why viewership is down. After the election, most of us are sick of politics. I know I am (as evidenced by my departure from the political forum).

I watched Fox and Cnn during the election, now I watch CNBC exclusively. Great channel, btw.
 

superbovine

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Ugg said:
Yay, maybe Rupert will begin to realize that media which takes such an extremely polarized view of the world will eventually only appeal to a minority. Even those red staters at some point have to realize they're being lied to.

Did you know Rupert is a major contributor to the Kerry camp during the election? Perhaps, he just present the news in the way he does to pander to an audience to make money.
 

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superbovine said:
Did you know Rupert is a major contributor to the Kerry camp during the election? Perhaps, he just present the news in the way he does to pander to an audience to make money.
have you got the numbers? i'm interested to see how much he contributed to each campaign.
 

IJ Reilly

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superbovine said:
Did you know Rupert is a major contributor to the Kerry camp during the election? Perhaps, he just present the news in the way he does to pander to an audience to make money.
Personal donations made by Rupert Murdoch during the 2004 election cycle:

12/30/2003 $5,000 National Republican Congressional Cmte
10/25/2004 $10,000 Republican Party of Washington
10/18/2004 $10,000 Republican Party of Alaska
12/4/2003 $5,000 News America Holdings
6/27/2003 $2,000 Bush, George W
5/29/2003 $2,000 Thomas, Bill
6/27/2003 $2,000 Bush, George W

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=murdoch&txtState=(all+states)&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&Order=N

I had to look up the News American Holdings. It's a PAC run by Murdoch and FOX Corp.

...and Bill Thomas is a Congressman from California. Guess which party?
 

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IJ Reilly said:
Personal donations made by Rupert Murdoch during the 2004 election cycle:

12/30/2003 $5,000 National Republican Congressional Cmte
10/25/2004 $10,000 Republican Party of Washington
10/18/2004 $10,000 Republican Party of Alaska
12/4/2003 $5,000 News America Holdings
6/27/2003 $2,000 Bush, George W
5/29/2003 $2,000 Thomas, Bill
6/27/2003 $2,000 Bush, George W

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=murdoch&txtState=(all+states)&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&Order=N

I had to look up the News American Holdings. It's a PAC run by Murdoch and FOX Corp.

...and Bill Thomas is a Congressman from California. Guess which party?
This murdoch contribution to his senate races in the past.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=Murdoch&first=Rupert

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64727-2004Jan30

A review of FEC and other data by The Washington Post found that Kerry has raked in millions from U.S. corporations, especially financial companies such as Citigroup and telecom firms, including Rubert Murdoch's News Corp., which also flew one of his Senate staffers to California for a meeting.
 

zimv20

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bovine -- how did you get from "including" to "major contributor?"

and from your statement, i inferred that murdoch gave more money to kerry than bush. was that your intent?

IJ -- thanks for the data.
 

IJ Reilly

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Check the dates. The campaign donations made to Kerry were in 2001.

I've checked the data and can't find any contributions under Fox or News Corp.
 

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kuyu said:
I can tell you why viewership is down. After the election, most of us are sick of politics. I know I am (as evidenced by my departure from the political forum).

I watched Fox and Cnn during the election, now I watch CNBC exclusively. Great channel, btw.
Politics, has replaced Truth, Honesty,and Integrity with Big Business,Big Business and a few Religions. :rolleyes:
 

IJ Reilly

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This is fun. In 2004, of the people who listed their employer as News Corporation, $3,826 was contributed to the Kerry campaign and $16,000 to Bush; $25,000 to a variety of state Republican party organizations and none to Democratic organizations.
 

Dont Hurt Me

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Demo's have Alienated the white sunday worshipper. Its pure spin if you think not. Thats how i see it and Bill plays off of them to a degree, it is the fox network., I think he leans right but he is open enough to hear the otherside and even sometimes leans left on some issues. He promotes a open debate if you dare. ;) I like Bill, I do not like the Bush Republicans. Bill is good for debate for the most part and has opened a lot of eyes on a lot of issues. No one is perfect. At least not in our times. But Bill does put the spotlight on issues that need more media attention. Thanks Bill though I dont allways agree with some of his views. Iraq for one.
 

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Dont Hurt Me said:
Demo's have Alienated the white sunday worshipper. Its pure spin if you think not. Thats how i see it and Bill plays off of them to a degree, it is the fox network., I think he leans right but he is open enough to hear the otherside and even sometimes leans left on some issues. He promotes a open debate if you dare. ;) I like Bill, I do not like the Bush Republicans. Bill is good for debate for the most part and has opened a lot of eyes on a lot of issues. No one is perfect. At least not in our times. But Bill does put the spotlight on issues that need more media attention. Thanks Bill though I dont allways agree with some of his views. Iraq for one.
I am so sorry to hear it.

The problem with O'Reilly is that he's an arrogant blowhard who pretends to be fair but is far from it. But his biggest problem is being a compulsive liar. He even lies about lying. I've known a few compulsive liars in my life, and I've found (it should come as no surprise) that they cannot be trusted further than you can throw them. They are sociopaths who will say and do anything without a single pang of guilt. I don't know the clinical definition, but as far as I can tell, they are missing the conscience gene. O'Reilly is a perfect model of every compulsive liar I've ever known. Whenever I see him on TV, I am just amazed that he's still there.
 

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Maybe O'Reilly and Moore should make a movie together...
Only a true independent would find that funny. :D To be fair, at least Moore presents it as opinion. Every interview I saw of him he was saying F9/11 was an editorial, not a documentary. But then again, O'Reilly was on a bunch of interviews saying that he hadn't decided who he was going to vote for in the last election. Maybe they're both liars. At least Roger and Me was entertaining.

DHM, listen to IJ. O'Reilly is just pretending to be an independent. Watch his interview with Bush and compare that to his interview with Moore (which was actually kinda funny BTW). Read anything by Al Franken about him. He's as Conservative as they come (for pay though, it seems).
 

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solvs said:
Only a true independent would find that funny. :D
Funnier still for this comment. Halfway through the artcle I was thinking to myself how much fun it would be for Comedy Central to have Bill Mahr host a debate between these two next election cycle. Perhaps pre-recorded with "popup video" style references/debunks to expose each one's spin.

solvs said:
To be fair, at least Moore presents it as opinion. Every interview I saw of him he was saying F9/11 was an editorial, not a documentary. But then again, O'Reilly was on a bunch of interviews saying that he hadn't decided who he was going to vote for in the last election. Maybe they're both liars. At least Roger and Me was entertaining.

DHM, listen to IJ. O'Reilly is just pretending to be an independent. Watch his interview with Bush and compare that to his interview with Moore (which was actually kinda funny BTW). Read anything by Al Franken about him. He's as Conservative as they come (for pay though, it seems).

It's all in the presentation:

Itsonlyoneman'sopinionbut Neocons Blow Hairy Monkey Butt.

Does that disclaimer stand out?
 

MontyZ

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IJ Reilly said:
True? Where'd you hear this?
It originally came from Nielsen Ratings website, but, now I can't find the page. I also heard this report on Air America and saw it mentioned on Salon and a few other websites.

Fox and republicans of course deny it and call it all a lie: something they're very familiar with.