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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by fivepoint, Aug 28, 2009.
I think I just puked in my mouth a little.
The Update says quite a bit. I'm going to quote it for emphasis:
Bold for emphasis.
While I do not like this, I do have to say I see where this is coming from. Keep in mind that the Internet was (and rather still is) government (read: military) owned, and the bulk of what we have today was created when they gave the OK to release it to the educational facilities (read: universities). It was given yet another OK in 1995 to go commercial. That could all be taken away at any time. A quick run through the history of the Internet on Wikipedia could show all of that.
Also, for CNET obtaining a copy of the bill.. it's available for everyone. It's also interesting to note that this bill is BIPARTISAN. Snowe is a Red.
I read this whole article and I don't like it.
Basically, anytime a DDoS attack can be deemed a Cyberspace security threat. We know, that DDoS happen all over the Internet 24/7/365. Although DDoS are not legal, some of them happen unintentionally [example, when someone has something for sale that people want and huge demand brings the site down] Some of us notice one, while others don't. We would end up having an amber alert every day (just like Homeland Security has at the airports)
Even though it won't allow Big Brother 100% control or shutdown of the Internet (you can't control the Internet at this point; it's worldwide), the bill will allow drastic data flow control, user control and censorship. [Think opposing views on government or something similar]
I hope all the private companies tells the government to stuff it. And in turn I hope the government stops putting critical systems on the cloud.
Anything the govt has control of turns to s..., thats the bottom line. steel industry,textile,automotive,banking and now they want this? It time to just repeal the whole federal govt if you ask me. Dont want these guys running or even touching anything.
Thats why Healthcare under govt is so scary because of our Federal govts past history with everything is horrible.
No no no no no.
They seem to do a pretty good job with the military...
But do they really?
Well I never saw any evidence to the opposite when I was in the Air Force. Although without having a private military I guess it is hard to gauge. Is Blackwater the closest we get to that?
The military is the best in the world (although we don't always use it as we should). I am for small government, but they have got a few things right.
The trouble with any military organisation is that it sort of relies on convincing everyone within it that they're doing a good job. Even the Republican Guard under Saddam though they were a great military, so it's a bit hard to judge whether or not a force is actually effective in all areas or where improvements are long overdue.
Not that I'm in any way advocating private armies
Our military is the best bar none. I am not in the military at all (yet).
Not the point I was trying to make. It may be the best compared to other current militaries, but is it as good as it could be?
I see what you were saying now. Obviously there is always room for improvement IMO. I don't think a private military would be as effective, it just doesn't feel right.
The government also have control of the roads the army and many other things, so giving the government control over the internet in an emergency doesn't seem to be moving beyond that significantly...
Maybe I'm missing something.
Must be that Hitler thing.
I could say the same thing about Big Business. Enron, anyone? Remember Pan Am? Frankly, given what I and friends of mine have had to deal with Big Healthcare's bureaucracy, I doubt the federal government could do much worse.
Where does it say they are controlling content? In that case that is pretty scary.
Yeah but if you give 'them' control of networks the next step is to start filtering out objectionable content and before you know it you have an Orwellian country.
What just like they already do with child porn?
Not sure if its the same in the USA, but the Government does not filter Child Porn. A volunteer group of people respond to requests to block certain website, it is then up to the ISP to adhere to this 'blacklist' however I don't think that it is a legal requirement of the Government. The Government supposedly have no control over this group of people.
The cause of, and the solution to much libertarian consternation.
Thread already started:
Wasn't fivepoint's thread first?
edit: seemed like it was up longer. Did one get moved?