billboard altered to say "shoot a school kid" $29 from gun advertisement

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rd-to-urge-gun-reform/?utm_term=.fcfbb19e2efe Now, there have been no shortage of gun threads as of late. I bring this up specifically for 2 reasons: 1. If this kind of guerrilla messaging is useful or productive, and 2 - my larger point - whether the price of guns is too low. We've gone back-and-forth on Guns here in PRSI forever. I think both sides are sick of mass shootings...maybe the (partial) answer is a sin-tax (or the like) on all guns sold here. Cigarettes and booze are taxed as such, because of their societal cost, as is Gas (albeit for a different reason). Perhaps Guns should have a hefty tax to make them relatively, but not prohibitively, expensive. Perhaps ammo also. Just a thought. Have at it...
     
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    We already have a thread about this

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/las-vegas-billboard-come-shoot-a-kid.2108377/

    But no one posted anything so good luck with this one!
     
  3. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Sure, you can have a gun tax as soon as there is a voting tax. Step on up, participate in one of your constitutional rights, only $20 dollars.
     
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    So we can’t ask people to pay $5-$10 bucks for an id to vote because that would disenfranchise poor and minorities, but a “hefty tax to make them relatively...expensive” is ok.

    So many time people suggest ideas/restrictions for the 2nd Amendment that they would never accept for any other Constitutional right.
     
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  6. blackfox thread starter Suspended

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    Fine. No tax. How about: Mandatory microchip for every gun sold. Would store Gun history and history of ownership. All older guns would have one year to be updated, free-of-charge. After that, if you are caught with a non-chipped gun - $10,000 fine - per gun. Use a non-chipped gun in a crime? Same fine, plus doubling of criminal penalty. Tamper or alter chip information - 20 year felony. Caught with a gun whose chip info can't be shown to be relevant to you - $10,000 fine. Periodic raids of Gun Shows for compliance....
     
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    My biggest argument that frustrates some is that I think mental health as a kid and adult should be taken into consideration.

    The argument is that it would stop veterans from getting guns.

    On my end, I think that you can sort out mental illness without using a blanket to cover everyone.

    For example, if they've attempted suicide? Harmed another person?

    It isn't going to be easy to navigate this but I stand by my statement that people who are like me, we do not need access to guns!

    I also think that taking the guns away without fixing our pathetic mental health system is useless. We have to do both.
     
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    Sounds like a good application for blockchain.
     
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    There tend to be reasons behind why that particular one should have restrictions. And all but the most extreme agree with that they just debate where the line should be drawn. I think I’ve only had one gun nut on here admit that they don’t think there should be any restrictions on the right to bear arms and that civilians should be allowed to own any weapon they can afford up to and including nuclear weapons.

    So what other rights do you think should be restricted and why?
     
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    I get that there needs to be restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. And in another thread, I listed out some changes I'd be ok with. That said, a punitive/annual tax is not one of them.
     
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    Ok, but you along with a lot of other pro 2nd people have mentioned that we should similarly restrict other constitutional rights without specifying which ones. Do you care to say what other rights you think should have restrictions and why?
     
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    My response to restricting other amendments are mostly tongue in cheek. A common thing many anti-gun people say, is that the founding fathers never envisioned todays weapons, therefore, the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets. If that is the case, then why shouldn't freedom of speech be limited to a manual printing press as I'm sure the founding fathers never envisioned the internet, phones, tv, radio, etc.

    That said, many who are pressing for extreme restrictions on the 2nd Amendment would never go for them on the 1st Amendment freedom of speech. The power of speech is sometimes greater than that of an AR-15. Look at what dictators like Hitler, Stalin, etc. were able to motivate their followers to do. Also, we see the power of speech to bully kids, shame people, etc.
     
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    I obviously reconsidered the tax idea. The poll tax analogue was good enough reason for me. Comments on my follow-up post?
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    Hadn't thought of it...but perhaps yes. So rare we agree...ha.
     
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    You’re right. The never envisioned tv or the Internet. That’s why they made a living document that can be changed as the times change. We are talking about a document that was written by slave owners, obviously they got some stuff wrong.
     
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    So you would be OK with amending the Constitution to exclude social media and the internet from the scope of the first amendment? I'm sure nothing bad would happen.
     
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    I appreciate your candor and sincerity regarding mental health and guns. Unfortunately it will probably not happen. The gun lobby wants everyone on the planet to have a personal arsenal. It's all about sales.

    There are other possible issues. I'm dealing with an insurance billing error now. The explanation of benefits arrived in Friday's mail. I looked it over and saw payment for a service not provided to me from a physician I never saw. I couldn't identify this guy in a lineup.

    Several years ago I was a patient of that practice. The practice is owned by an area hospital. My doctor left the practice for another opportunity. I followed him to the new provider. My insurance information has not changed in that time. My information was used for billing.

    I contacted the insurance company claims department. I was transferred to a claim specialist. She told me the billing was for a hospital day stay. Diagnosis schizoaffective disorder and bipolar disorder. So, now I am documented as having serious mental health issues due to a billing error. The hospital did not submit a claim on my insurance. That's helpful.

    I've never seen the doctor who billed. I've never seen the hospital where the doctor provided services billed to my insurance.

    The claims specialist said they will request medical record to substantiate the claim/payment or refund if record is not available.

    The phone number for the practice was on the EOB. I called and talked to the secretary. She had no info on billing as any hospital care is billed from another state. She only has access to office visit information.

    I faxed the EOB info with a detailed cover page to the office. The secretary phoned me later on Friday to advise the info will be removed from my record. I think she was sincere and relaying information provided to her.

    This doesn't pass the smell test. The most effective way to do creative medical billing is to use a diagnosis that does not bump into legitimate claims.

    I will follow up with the insurance company claims department. If they received a refund I'll consider this finished. My guess is that a "medical record" backing up the claim and payment will be provided.

    I want this corrected. I will go to the state insurance commission and medical board if necessary.

    I'm not in the market for a gun.
     
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    No not at all. I am ok with discussing how different the world is now and possibly making changes to or constitution when it’s appropraite.
     
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    The health care and mental care in this country is abysmal. Not saying other countries may be better but I know we could do better.

    Your situation sounds like a serious mess. I had a bill show up from another state I'd never lived in. I called and they took months to figure out that they put in a social security number wrong. I was pretty upset as I've got enough legitimate bills much less being charged this!

    I try to be honest about my mental health and my feelings on guns. I understand the right to bare arms but I think that not everyone should have a gun or be allowed one.

    I'm not trying to throw out the constitution but I do think we have to make laws that will be beneficial to society. If that means taking guns from some, I see no problem.
     
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    I've never said that the founding fathers got everything right. There is a process to amend the Constitution, because, as you say times change. And while I'm not opposed to some reasonable restrictions on guns, if you or others like @dogslobber want to completely ban guns, then go through the process to amend the Constitution.

    That said, many liberal recognize that getting 38 states to go along with revoking/removing the 2nd Amendment is too difficult. Instead, they want to regulate them out of existence. Ban semi-autos, have to carry liability insurance, gun tax, ammo tax, background checks to purchase ammo, guns must be kept at a secure facility outside of house, mental screenings, and the list goes on and on.
     
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    I like the alteration because it illustrates is a point about conservative gun policy.. :p
     
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    I would be open to listening to why you think it should be excluded. I don’t think anyone can make a good argument for excluding them, but go ahead and try.
     
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    Interesting debate in this thread. And I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this logic. However I will play devil's advocate here and say it's not comparable.

    The right to vote is probably the single right in this country that should never be up for debate or suppressed in any way. So no, if voting requires an ID,, then that ID shouldn't cost anything. Also, owning a gun requires a purchase, Which means that it's not free to own a gun. So charging a fee for the license could be argued differently.

    Again - not really arguing for or against fees here - just providing "an" argument.
     
  23. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    Purchasing is common for ownership, but it is certainly not a requirement. Guns can be gifted, inherited, self-manufactured, or issued by an employer.
     

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