Billboards with Hanging Dummies startle Las Vegas

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  1. bradl macrumors 68040

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    (NOTE: I'm going to split this into 3 posts, as each part will contribute to the thread. You'll see story, statement, and statement.)

    Sick joke, or political statement? You decide.

    Las Vegas Review-Journal

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    Coverage also from KTNV. This includes a statement from the owners of the sign (Lamar/Clear Channel). Enjoy.

    Next, the counter...

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    That would freak me out if I saw that. Very distasteful.
     
  3. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    And finally, the counter-statement, from the Occupy Movement. Again, this from KTNV:

    Tastelessly genius, at least as far as the artwork and statement go.. I'm sure this will cause controversy (already has), and talk for some time.

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    It'll definitely wake people up, that's for sure.
     
  5. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Well I like it. Shock art is a great way of getting in the news, which isn't easy as there's so much going on the world right now.

    What I'm unsure about are Occupy themselves - the whole movement went over my head a bit. I find them hard to work out. I just hit up their website and see they have a vague statement about making change because we can't trust officials.

    Sounds good, but maybe they're spread too thin for people to identify with..
     
  6. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I don't.

    I'd like to see everybody just crank it down a notch.
     
  7. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Bet you didn't know Clark county had the 2nd highest rate of adult suicide until today ;)
     
  8. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I'm of two minds here.

    Politically, it is really out there.. plus it goes to show, as argued in other threads recently here, that if Occupy is disavowing and not claiming responsibility for it, there are extreme fringes on both the left and the right. Perhaps an episode of Celebrity DeathMatch is in order? :D

    I'll all but guarantee that unless it is a huge group, no-one is going to claim responsibility on this, as the corporations are going straight into "I'll sue!" mode, and proving the points of these people and the Occupy movement right.

    Artistically, it's almost a stroke of genius, in a shock-and-awe meets Andy Warhol kind of way. Shocking, guaranteed to generate the calls to the PD (as it did), but artfully done. I mean, there is a huge difference in how artfully this is done compared to some gangs spraying graffiti all over the place. Compared to that, this is tasteful.

    So there's the artistic side of this as well as the political side. both could/should be talked about here..

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  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I have heard that the Las Vegas are had been hit really hard by the housing crash and recession. But I was unaware of the high suicide rate.

    I guess you think this was a good way to call attention to the issue. I—as a person involved in marketing—don't think they needed to go that far.
     
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    As a 14-year resident, I can tell you this.. it's bad.

    When you think about it, think about how many people who are homeless there, down on their luck, or even transient. Then bring in those who have various addictions (alcohol, gambling, etc.). That already puts the Vegas area at high risk for suicides, and even homicides for that matter.

    Then add in the recessions and the post-9/11 world. When I moved there in '98, Vegas was actually coming into its modern-day prime (read: post mob/early family-oriented megaresort). Things were booming there. Then 9/11 hit, and tons of jobs were lost, housing bust, and people just not being able to take it anymore. I lost track of how many tents and people I saw sleeping under the trees from Fremont St. down Boulder highway over the first mile. Cross that with how many empty homes there were in Summerlin, and how even renting them out is now cheaper than an apartment. People here just started to lose hope over the past 12 years. Now it's just spilled into this.

    This would be a great time to call up the grandparents or great-grandparents and ask how they handled it the first time in the '30s.

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    The Occupy movement is a part of our democracy for sure. At least it seems as vibrant, and sometimes quite as messy, as any other democratic activities and movements often do. Its leadership, still in the formative phase, still trying to coalesce without being compromised, is kind of stuck watching copies of the elephant they're trying to design already walking around out there in public spaces all over the world. Each copy is slightly different, and each is receiving sometimes radically different local participation and feedback.

    But with regard to the Las Vegas dummies: those seem a symbolic freeway to nowhere, built partway over an abyss, not over common ground. Nooses and hangings carry too much baggage in the USA. The Occupy movement should wise up and disavow association with whoever did those billboards.
     
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    Political statement? Obviously. Trespassing and/ or vandalism? Evidently as the person/ group who did this did so without Lamar/ Clear Channel Outdoors consent.

    Personally, I'd see nothing wrong with it if OccupyLV (or whoever was behind it) had paid/ rented/ contracted out etc... the billboard usage legally with Lamar/ CCO.
     
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    Thoughtless and nasty. Whatever they're for, I'm against it.
     
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    They're for people living.
     
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    I think its funny that you think this is extreme left wing.
     
  16. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    They did. See post #3 in this thread. They do not know who did this, but they congratulate them on the spirit of the message they were trying to convey and the dedication they put into making their voice heard. Other than that, they aren't agreeing with what they did, nor do they know who did it.

    The more interesting part is that they did this near Bonanza. Those not familiar with the area, that's north of Downtown Las Vegas. That area is very well blighted, with a bunch of motel rooms where you pay by the hour, or is just a very old and dirty part of town.

    The other billboard, being off of Highland and Desert Inn, is behind all of the hotels (specifically, Trump Tower), are where all of the strip clubs are. Not ironic, but funny (interesting).

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    Agreed. This is going way too far.
     
  18. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Dummies hanging from a noose on a billboard in a city where 8 million people can see them all to make a political statement isn't extreme?

    Outside of a Munich '72 or WTC, what would you consider extreme enough for a political statement? Honestly (and I can't believe I'm saying this), as ignorant as they are, not even the "tea party" has gone this far.

    As a political statement, this is really far out there. As an artist, it's well thought out, and well executed. But if you don't think this is bad, by all means, reference something here that trumps this.

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  19. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Falun Gong setting themselves on fire in public

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    now that's truly an extreme way to make a political point..
     
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    Extreme, but not extreme left wing.
     
  21. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Touche. I concede that one.

    Fair enough. So then I pose this: what would you consider 'extreme left wing'? I'm curious as to what end the other side of the spectrum goes to.

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    Extreme Left Wing, Actual Socialist and Communist values being advocated. OWS doesn't even come close. They're not advocating a State Run economy, they' re advocating regulation of the free market, which is a Centrist Position.
     
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    Extreme left is a strange place.. seems to end up going full circle and getting mixed up with extreme right behaviour..
     
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    I've always looked at the political spectrum as a circle, with the extremes of Right and Left blending together in their levels of crazy.


    As to the ads, yes, I wholly believe it's tasteless, but sometimes you need something jarring to bring attention to a serious issue.
     
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    The stunt seems a little hard on those who have had loved ones actually kill themselves in this manner, but the main issue is safety. A driver presented with such a sight might have an accident and hurt somebody. Overall, a poorly thought out stunt...

    I would have thought a billboard showing suicide rates since the recession would have made the same point a little less crudely.
     

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