Black Pastors Demand Smithsonian Remove Planned Parenthood Founder’s Bust.

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    As written in the article, Margaret Sanger’s tribute sits in the Smithsonian museum’s “Struggle for Justice” exhibit alongside Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks, a placement that minister and former Republican politician E.W. Jackson called an “outrage” given her support for eugenics. He goes on to say that “If Margaret Sanger had her way, MLK and Rosa Parks never would have been born”

    He’s gotten 14,000 signatures for removing Sanger’s bust. Texas Republicans Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Louie Gohmert back the removal.


    http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/27/b...parenthood-founders-removal-from-smithsonian/
     
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    Louie Gohmert? If you want your article to be taken in any way seriously then it's best not to mention Louie Gohmert.
     
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    Considering what she stood for, I wouldn't be too heartbroken over the Smithsonian removing it. Planned Parenthood as it is today is a far cry from its original intentions.
     
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    The story really has nothing to do with Louie Gohmert...
     
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    Sex is fun. Without birth control, it would be less fun.
     
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    You can always practice the oldest form of birth control known to man.

    Pulling out. The fancy people call it coitus interruptus.
     
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    I don't like the odds, frankly. Oral Contraception, which Sanger promoted, is far more effective. And the IUD (which you can obtain at Planned Parenthood) is even more so.

    Every sperm is sacred,
    Every sperm is great.
    If a sperm is wasted,
    God gets quite irate.

     
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    1.) Some say Sanger was a racist for predominantly practicing on the black population.

    2.) Excessive masturbation does lead to eye sight problems. I wear glasses.
     
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    Some people don't understand history then. She worked with blacks and other minorities during a period of time when few would. Some conservatives seem to want to believe that things were all hunky dory for blacks after the Civil War, but of course they weren't.

    Martin Lurthur King... Yes, the same Martin Luther King your article mentions... Praised Sanger for her work.
     
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    She was interested in targeting the populations with the most infant mortality rates (and those of their mothers), which included immigrants and the black population at that time.

    She advocated birth control. It's certainly reaching (and I know I've seen some conservative meme's that are misinformed about her intentions) to say that she was racist because she was trying to "control that population".

    When she passed away, MLK compared her movement to the civil rights movement.

    Edit: Got interrupted while typing, but APlotdevice is spot on!!
     
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    Isn't that the (rightly) ridiculed Fox News ploy?

     
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    It's also the oldest lie know to man: "S'all right, babe. I'll pull out before I shoot. Honest."

    [​IMG]
     
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    That reminds me of a joke.

    You know what you call a jackass who practices the rhythm method?

    Dad.
     
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    One advantage of the pill is that it allows a woman to subvert such shenanigans,
     
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    "...but you're on the pill, why do I have to still wear a condom?"

    -Me
     
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    http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=101807.xml

    Basically this paper states that our beloved Margaret Sanger would approve of creating a panel that authorizes the birth of people in poverty and other "dire" situations (actually with objective thought... it would be every person). It also forces criminal treatment and/or possible forced abortion according to article 4. So all people will be controlled from birth until death in all aspects of their reproductive lifestyles. Only the government gets to determine who can have a baby. If some people slip and happen to get pregnant they are criminals. This is not pro-choice; this is pro-Totalitarianism.

    if we implemented this now we would be aborting babies en mass in every city across the united states. We would probably run into a gas shortage before all of the babies were cremated n the first month. Is this really what progressive statists want?

    Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies, to assist couples who wish to prevent overproduction of offspring and thus to reduce the burdens of charity and taxation for public relief, and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.

    Article 2. Birth control clinics shall be permitted to function as services of city, county, or state health departments, or under the support of charity, or as non-profit self-sustaining agencies, subject to inspection and control by public authorities.

    Article 3. A marriage license shall in itself give husband and wife only the right to a common household and not the right to parenthood.

    Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit for parenthood.

    Article 5. Permits for parenthood shall be issued upon application by city, county, or state authorities to married couples, providing they are financially able to support the expected child, have the qualifications needed for proper rearing of the child, have no transmissible diseases, and, on the woman’s part, no medical indication that maternity is likely to result in death or permanent injury to health.

    Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.

    Article 7. Every county shall be assisted administratively by the state in the effort to maintain a direct ratio between the county birth rate and its index of child welfare. Whenever the county records for any given year show an unfavorable variation from this ratio the county concerned shall be taxed by the state according to the degree of the variation. The revenues thus obtained shall be expended by the state within the given county either in giving financial support to birth control clinics or in other ways calculated to improve the situation involved.

    Article 8. Feeble-minded persons, habitual congenital criminals, those afflicted with inheritable disease, and others found biologically unfit by authorities qualified judge should be sterilized or, in cases of doubt, should be so isolated as to prevent the perpetuation of their afflictions by breeding.
     
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    And do you agree or disagree with anything that "planned parenthood" stands for today?
     
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    Yet at the time that Sanger wrote this, the National Recovery Act authorized the government to control production of a great many commodities in order to hasten the economic recovery of the country. There were conservatives, and proto-conservatives who opposed this, but they were few and number, and not very politically influential. At the time it was not a fantasy. It may well be that Sanger, who was not particularly enthusiastic about FDR, was making a satirical point.

    In any case, birth control was not widely available, and attempts to manufacture, import, and distribute such devices were frequently stymied by institutions focused on denying choice to women--the Catholic church among them. The idea that women were obligated to have large families and subsequently dying of childbirth related complications is no less "totalitarian" than the idea that some non-church related bureaucracy would deny her the chance to reproduce.
     
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    Black Genocide . org would beg to differ in the whitewashed version you present, your's done in the manner favored by Planned Parenthood baby parts sellers defenders.

    Black Genocide:
    At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

    Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

    Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spoke of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.

    More here:
    http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

    The Black Pastors are correct in wanting the Sanger bust tossed.
     
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    Black Genocide might have a point about Sanger's past, I honestly don't know enough to argue either for or against this.

    But I do know this. What does Planned Parenthood's allegedly shady beginnings have to do with the organization as it is today?
     
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    Way to change the subject. I'll let you argue that yourself. :)
     
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    Ah, so in other words, "It's on the internet, so it must be true!"
     
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    It's not a change of the subject, it's the core of the issue. Why bring up Planned Parenthood's past if it has no bearing on its present?

    Let's use an extreme example here. Say there's such a thing as the Pol Pot Foundation of the Arts and Sciences. It could've began its life as a way to round up and kill the intelligentsia, but if it ended up becoming a foundation that's done a tremendous amount of good over the years, then it's past is a bit of a moot point, isn't it?
     
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    Weak defense.

    I'll turn up the offense.

    Washington Times:

    "Sanger shaped the eugenics movement in America and beyond in the 1930s and 1940s. Her views and those of her peers in the movement contributed to compulsory sterilization laws in 30 U.S. states that resulted in more than 60,000 sterilizations of vulnerable people, including people she considered “feeble-minded,” “idiots” and “morons.”

    She even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: “I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered” (Margaret Sanger, “An Autobiography,” Page 366). That she generated enthusiasm among some of America’s leading racists says something about the content and tone of her remarks."

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/5/grossu-margaret-sanger-eugenicist/
     

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