Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder

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  1. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I saw a snippet about this on ABC too. Oh man. If this is true, this is going to get very ugly, very quickly.

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill
     
  2. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    The whole concept of Blackwater has always been slightly disturbing to me
     
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    Nothing new, guns for hire.
     
  4. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    Oh I know lol
     
  5. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Speaking of which...what's going on with you and the military thing?

    OT- if I were these witnesses, I'd be scared out of my mind right now.
     
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    I'm still looking into it, just want to think things through

    I'm really confused with what I want to do with my life to be honest lol

    I agree, if I were a witnness, I'd be nervous too...like the mafia
     
  7. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Yep- I'd be looking around every corner.
     
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    Actually, I don't believe that you would be.

    If the article is accurate, then these folks are probably in the U.S. Marshals Service protection and will be place into the Witness Protection Program.
     
  9. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Would that necessarily keep you safe? We're talking about experts here.
     
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    Saw this on Countdown tonight.

    This is so bizarre, I almost have a hard time believing it.

    Except for the fact that there are two witnesses who say virtually the same thing.

    This guy Prince is like a cross between Jimmy Swaggart and some bad James Bond villain.
     
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    I would say yes. The skill sets are different if you will.

    Edit: I do agree with you that there is risk. However, over the years, the WiTSEC has successfully helped many individuals and protected them from drug Cartels, OC and others. So far they've not lost a single witness according to what I've seen. Unfortunately, there is always the chance that this record could be broken.
     
  12. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it. This is just crazy to me.
     
  13. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    I think...I hope...this is just the beginning. I'll be very disappointed if this doesn't get covered more in the weeks and months ahead.
     
  14. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    I think it will. This is beyond scary. I agree with you that it's good that it's coming out. Hopefully, this is the end of organizations like this.
     
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    It's in the initial stages so who knows what will develop.

    If I understand the article, the two are second hand witnesses. This creates issues in itself when the case is brought to trial. First hand witnesses are always much better. It's easy for lawyers to twist what second hand witnesses overheard or observed of the first hand witnesses.
     
  16. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    I guess it's tough when those people are dead.
     
  17. bruinsrme macrumors 601

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    No it won't end groups like this.
    They will simply dismantle, some one new will "start up" another company and recruit those formerly in black water.

    obviously there is a need for a supplemental security agency, whether domestic or not.

    One thing I learned while I was in the service, what makes te news is one thing, what's really happening is something totally inconceivable to the general public.
     
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    Did we not learn anything about PMC'S through the Bourne series and Metal Gear Solid!?

    CHAOS I TELLS U, CHAOS!
     
  19. Wotan31 macrumors 6502

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    Nothing wrong with the concept. It's this one company. There are many like it, but you won't hear their names in the news. You keep hearing about BW because they keep f$#ing up. Of all the private security firms operating on gov't contracts in the middle east, BW is known as being "different" from the others. Different in the sense that they'll hire anyone, their standards are very relaxed, they're not the top performing organization in this line of work; far from it. Heck, the new Iraqi gov't specifically banned them, by name, but allows all the other private sec firms to continue working there.

    There are plenty of other private security firms operating there that have flawless performance records and do everything properly and by the numbers. Don't drag them down because of the actions of one.
     
  20. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Sounds like Blackwater didn't screw up though. Sounds to me as if everything they did was intentional.
     
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    Yep. A friend of mine emailed yesterday to check out the news. I can't believe crap like this gets millions of $$ in our money to do operations.
     
  22. bruinsrme macrumors 601

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    just the tip of the iceberg
     
  23. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    So what happens if this guy gets convicted? Does everyone else involved go down too?
     
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    Right now I am sure a work agency is looking for some candidates
    Help Wanted:
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    transportation,uniforms, housing, and all meals included, but does require on site living for a period not less than 3 months.
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    Job requirements:
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  25. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    You forgot one:
    Ability to follow directions without question.
     

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