Blackwater Founder Said to Back Mercenaries in Africa

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    A very interesting article from the NYT.

    I think that the broader use of military contractors in Africa could be a good thing in certain situations where the overt, or even covert, presence of US forces could have an extremely negative impact or, as the article mentions, the US is still hesitant to reenter a particular area.
     
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    What right do we have to interfere in the area? You seem to pose a false choice of having the military do it, or what is essentially a paramilitary do it. My question is why are these even on the table? :confused:
     
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    The only US involvement, at the present time, is through Eric Prince as a private American citizen. Xe Services isn't involved as Prince is currently selling off his stake in the company.

    So if by 'we' you mean the UAE, I have no idea, you'd have to ask someone in their government.
     
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    Why did you bring up US forces being unwilling to enter the area then? Yes, I get it's in the article (to which I essentially pose the same question).
     
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    Primarily because the author(s) referenced it in the article:

    And, now that I think about it some more, AFRICOM.

    Well, that's not the point of the article, is it?
     
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    No, it's not the point of the article, which is sad, because far too often we rally up our population to get involved where we have no right to do so. These are the questions that need to be asked.
     
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    If it helps restore order and stop the current internal conflict, it could be a really good thing. With that said, Blackwater has exceptional training capabilities but also has a bad record from the Iraq war, so it's a toss up.

    Do you think their country is in ruins due to the US or other Western nations? If so, do you think we have an obligation to assist because the Western world, including the US, caused the current chaos that is still an issue today?
     
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    Jobs are scarce... and killing is a skill. :rolleyes:

    Soon Blackwater will be like any other multinational corporation: beholden to no nation, merely in it for the profit.

    Maybe in the future, there will be some lucrative work for them in states.
     
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    A multinational corporation is scary.

    A multinational corporation with guns is truly terrifying.

    People ask why I trust the government so much. I don't. I just trust them more than big businesses.
     
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    Exactly how I feel.
     
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    If you count their post Hurricane Katrina work in 2005, they already have:

    And again in 2007:

    Link
     
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    Hence why I own a gun.
     
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    That hardly inspires any extra confidence. The last thing we need if a government / corporation goes bad is a bunch of disorganised people running around with guns.

    It takes more than guns to fight. A lot more. 99% of any fight is logistics and planning. The guns are the easy bit.
     
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    That'll do it.
     
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    Not exactly. Just because you own a gun doesn't mean you aren't civil; not all of us have police that will arrive in 10 minutes. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with owning a gun for personal protection. Furthermore, government, law enforcement, and private corporations have all done some really sick **** to people over the years, especially if you happen to be a minority.
     
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    Shooting them really helps, I expect.
     
  17. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    We should just give all the minorities guns, no?
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Here's the social experiment I'd like to see...

    Prohibit all males from owning any gun.

    Make it maditory for women to carry them.
     
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    I never said anything about shooting anyone. A firearm is a general deterrence which does not even need to be fired to reduce criminal activity.


    We should give everyone the right to own a gun, minority or not.
     
  20. Cromulent macrumors 603

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    Of course. I'm just not entirely convinced that a group of unelected, gun touting, inexperienced, do gooders (of course doing good is a matter of opinion, but as long as it is OK in their eyes) rampaging around the country is better than a sh***y government.
     
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    Women shoot far better than men...might be a good idea. When I taught shooting, the women would always excel right from the start and I saw many, many guys get frustrated as their date was poppin bulls-eyes like no tomorrow while they couldn't hit a thing. I suppose part of it as that guys want to fire the biggest gun possible and don't listen. Also, women tend to follow gun safety procedure much better than men, on average.
     
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    I am not advocating for taking to the streets and slaughtering people. A corrupt government would be better than that. As you said, doing good is a matter of opinion so I guess my idea of responsible and 'good' gun ownership has no correlation with what others feel is or is not.
     
  23. skunk macrumors G4

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    Ah. That would explain the incredibly low crime rate and prison population in the USA.
     
  24. 184550 thread starter Guest

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    I know we're only 21 days in but, PRSI quote of the year?
     
  25. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    No, but locking people up for petty offenses and health issues does. We BUILD our criminals.


    Pay Related Social Insurance?
     

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